Thank goodness ninjablade's ban is over. Only he could argue that the WiiU version is not greatly superior to the 360 version. Got to love his blind passion! Keeping the discussion varried, if not logical.

I agree with the first statement (though the framerate looks good in the gameplay videos, even during the most demanding scenes), but your second point... you mean developers who outsourced (launch) ports/used their B-team with little time to learn the SDK vs. the incredibly talented Criterion doing the port in house? Good comparison, LOL!

ninja gaiden 3, dark siders 2 and batman were not out sourced, they claimed they would have better graphics and perfomance.

I thought this was a vs thread? not a wiiu positive thread.

You still think not knowing enough about the SDK & Hardware has nothing to do with it? Criterion clearly said they wouldn't have been able to pull this off at launch because there were 'tools and help' they got from Nintendo after launch which made the improvements possible. I assume this has something to do with the custom API as related to the custom features of the GPU.

Still, they were all LAUNCH PORTS. Launch ports have never done particularly well on any system. You still have no *valid* point.

how is my point not vaild?, they claimed it would look better and it did not, that's my only point, any i'm not gonna arue about this anymore the wii u has some MP games coming out, i'm looking at the ones releasing at the same time if those look better , like 4-5 games i will admit wii u is more powerful.

i really don't hate the wiiu , i think zelda and mario are some of the greatest franshise in gaming and some of the best games i ever played, i just hate when people say it's more powerful then 360/ps3 when MP games havent provin that, once i see 5 Mp  games looking better and released at the same time, i will admit wii u is more powerful but if that doesn't happen will you guys admit you were wrong. you guys can blame the devs but can't blame the hardware.

It's not valid to make claims about the system's power based on that, because we're talking about launch ports, and launch ports have never been a good indication of the power of any system, ever. This is due to time constraints and new APIs which developers are not yet familiar with. If your only point is regardig false claims about launch ports, I agree that those devs shouldn't have talked up their ports if they were inferior, my point is this is an apples to oranges comparison. Launch ports will always be far inferior to later ports, and especially to exclusives.

Actually, I have no doubt that WiiU version looks better than PS360 - after all, it's enough to put high-res textures and it will look better.

"There's a switch in our build pipeline that says 'use PC textures' and we flipped that and that was all," Hamadi laughs. "I can take no credit for that, it was literally ten minutes' work... we are using PS3/360 geometry. It's just the textures we upgraded."

As for lighting - PC version has lot of seetings to play with, so not sure what seetings are used for PS360 versions, but in both DF video and screenshot comparison, although there is difference , it's nothing drastic like on those Wii vs 360 shots....hence my initial statement that I find them very stange. I did notice however from DF's PS360 Face-off shots that PS seems to have worse lighting than 360 and PC.

Anyway, I'm glad Ninty figured out they have to provide some incentive for 3rd parties to actually put extra effort into doing good ports for WiiU. Just wish that somewhat better hardware made that unnecessary in the first place...