Capulous said:
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UnitSmiley said:
I just don't like Microsoft as a company when it comes to gaming. They are focusing on things that shouldn't matter and a very large majority of people who buy into it don't actually care about the hobby one bit. It's just unfotunate. But what upsets me though is that those same people who don't know jack, will literally bad mouth Nintendo and Sony just because they know the 360 is popular. I'm talking about the US mind you. As a passionate gamer, I don't have any problem with Gears of War, in fact i've always liked that series. I really wish Epic didn't chose to make it exclusive to xbox, or at the very least stop making it for PC.
Games are games regardless of what system they are on. It's just the general attitude of Microsoft and the lack of passion/knowledge about the hobby and resentment towards the other two from its fanbase that I can't stand. It's the fact that people are feeding Microsoft profits despite them actually doing the least for serious gamers. They are too focused on becoming a "media hub" with other useless crap rather than on bringing quality games to consumers. They are so set on talking themselves up and saying stuff like "We are the top selling console" without mentioning that's just the US, not globally. Not to mention how they throw everything behind a paygate.
And nah, I didn't take it the wrong way, sorry if I seemed too aggressive with my opinions. I'm just tired of Microsoft earning money in the videogame industry even though it's apparent they have lost site of real gamers. I'm tired of the fanbase that doesn't know the difference between an exclusive and a multiplat game. I'm tired of the fanbase that doesn't even know what Uncharted is for christ sakes. I base all my opinions on that fanbase by the way from the numerous people I have met (real life and online) this gen in Microsoftland- er I mean the US. Sure, I know that the people I have met aren't necessarily representative of the whole, but I certainly think they are pretty close.
Even the die hard Microsoft fans hardly argue with anything that has to do with the games themselves.
If a Nintendo fan is defending Nintendo they would probably bring up Nintendos legacy of characters that have stood the test of time. They will talk about how Nintendo is focused on purely making games instead of making other types of hardware or software. They will talk about how a lot of Nintendo games are really fun and don't need to be filled with blood and gore to be satisfying to adults. Very valid points with relevance to the hobby.
If a Sony fan is defending Sony they would probably talk about how new Ips are the life blood of the industry and that Sony likes to continuously make new ones. While not as old as some of Nintendos franchises, Sony has a respectable stock of Exclusive games and characters that it's fanbase loves. They would talk about how they probably feel that out of the big 3, Sony is the one most focused on bringing great content to core gamers and that the list of exclusives under the companies belt has a large amount of variety. Very valid points with relevance to the hobby.
If a Microsoft fan is defending Microsoft they would probably talk about how well their games sell and how popular the brand name is. They will talk about how the lack of exclusives is actually a good thing because it helps those exclusives reach higher sales numbers. They might talk about how all of their friends have a 360, and that they were able to secure a pretty hefty chunk of the market. They will talk about all the great apps and social interaction that the brand offers. Very valid points but with LITTLE relevance to the hobby.
That's the difference in my opinion, Nintendo and Sony fans focus on games. The things that should actually matter the most. Microsoft fans focus on...sales? Numbers? Apps? Sure as hell not games.
Again, all this is just my opinion. Might sound too harsh, but that's the conclusion i've come to.
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Gamers are gamers, I don't see why you think there is a need to divide them into sub-categories and try to put more emphasis on one more than others. MS has done a lot for gaming, and they are focused on bringing new ideas and experiences to the table as well. There is no different "attitude" between the three console makers. They are all in it for the profit.
The comments about the Xbox being the top selling console is in regards to the monthly NPD releases. I believe they even state it in their tweets, "According to the NPD..." It shows that they are the top selling console in the region. They are not coming out and saying that they are the top selling console worldwide.
MS has plenty of exclusives. Although some people on this site seem to disregard Kinect and other various games, there are plenty of titles MS offers which others do not. They may not have as many exclusive titles (don't know the exact number for each company) as Nintendo or Sony, but they will continue to add to it. Xbox fans discuss their games as well, and they do defend and support them. The Xbox fanbase is smaller and less vocal overall than the others, but they are there. It also seems that some say that a few less exclusives allows them to focus more on what they have and promote those. I guess there should be a good balance. It really just depends on which side you favor.
Have you seen all these topics about sales? A lot of them come from Sony and Nintendo fans. They argue sales a lot on this site, so I am not sure why you think MS fans are the only ones that focus on sales. Of course, this site is dedicated to sales of VG consoles and games so that is expected. As for the resentment comment, there seems to be far more bashing on MS than the others on this site.
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I wouldn't try to divide gamers into subgroups but seriously I don't see the people who only buy/play what is trendy so they can talk about it with their friends as gamers. That is obviously just MY perception, but that's what I believe. They aren't in it for the games at all. They don't care about new or upcomming games unless it has a lot of attention behind it. Those same people probably don't know what the NPD Group is (Or if it's divided into regions) so to them, which i'm sure Microsoft knows, the percieved message is still "Microsoft is the best".
A quote from that post in Gaf from a Microsoft PR rep about the Feb 20th Sony announcement -"So in terms of noise our job will be to ensure that the consumers that are going into stores, going online, still see and experience Xbox, rather than get lost in the industry chatter".
In my opinion that translates to: We want to keep those consumers who don't know much about the industry or what the competition has to offer still thinking we are the absolute best by making sure they see our brand everywhere and believe it's because we are awesome.
It's almost like they are admitting their fanbase doesn't look into the competition or know much about gaming at all. To me that sounds slightly insulting, as if they KNOW that by blasting advertisments their fanbase won't look at anything else, regardless of how great it may be.
I think if the majority of the 360 fanbase for whatever reason suddenly started to become actually interested in the hobby or the games themselves instead of what is trendy, Microsoft would have some serious tweaking to do when it comes to their strategy in the gaming business.
I also wouldn't say the Microsoft fanbase is less vocal at all. Especially at the beginning of this gen, they were the loudest and most antagonizing of the three by far. Things have turned round for the Playstation 3 and I think more and more people who are real gamers are starting to notice (thank god) and that's why you see a lot less Microsoft fans on the internet now compared to fans of the other 2. Don't get me wrong, I certainly don't think the 360 fanbase is any less intelligent lol, just that I personally feel most of them are driven by popularity rather than passion.
Yeah I see sales discussions all the time by any of the three for sure. But more often than not when discussing games i'll often see a comment like "Well X company doesn't have any games that sell THIS many". Most of them act like stock holders rather than gamers.
Again, no disrespect to anyone. These are just my opinions from what I have experienced.
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