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CrazzyMan on 25 January 2008

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 01st Jan 2006 to 31st Dec 2006:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PSPDSXBGCPS2
Total
2,959,649
1,232,643
6,872,074
9,153,999
21,640,079
784,157
1,092,720
12,354,373

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 31st Dec 2006 to 30th Dec 2007:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PSPDSXBGCPS2

Total
16,392,907
7,781,535
8,391,022
11,565,866
30,443,238
9,334
210,458
9,454,607

Total
19,352,556
9,014,178

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Nov 2006 to 30th Dec 2007:

Total
19,067,559
8,842,596

Interesting. =)



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2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

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dbot on 25 January 2008
Dodece said:
I wouldn't say the subject is ignored its just not very relevant to the main topic of discussion the current generations console war. However if we want to discuss platform sales total. Ignoring hand held devices which you seem to have done. Your quite wrong. Microsoft supports two platforms, and its often stated to be a detractor for their sales. They support a hardware console, and they support a software driven console in the form of the Vista operating system and games for Live.

I certainly wouldn't advocate the comparison, because quite frankly it isn't relevant to the specific discussions we have on a daily basis. That said if you want to draw on sales outside of the specific then you must include those sales. Then you should probably also consider the virtual console which is basically a retro console repository. Consumers buying parts of previous consoles through their new console.

Perhaps you should get on board with the conservatives on this compare the performance of the three consoles in the current generation. Rather then augmenting said sales with external hardware. You can spin all you like, but everyone can counter spin your logic. So what is the point exactly beyond a desperate hope.

I am not spinning anything.  I think it is very relevant to compare console sales by manufacturer and product line.  Although handheld sales are very important(I own a DS and PSP), they should not be included when comparing traditional consoles Wii/360/PS3 sales(I own a PS2 and PS3/eventually a Wii).  I raise the issue because the PS2 is still selling extremely well, and it should be acknowledged.  In a way you are penalizing Sony for not abandoning the platform and their customers. 

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Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

BottledSpringWater on 25 January 2008
DMeisterJ said:
The PS3 did very well compared to the 360. I'd go out on a limb and say that had it launced WW when it launched in the Us/jp, it would have had higher sales.

No reason to go out on a limb. I think everyone else here would also agree with that.



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Linkzmax on 25 January 2008
CrazzyMan said:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 01st Jan 2006 to 31st Dec 2006:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PSPDSXBGCPS2
Total
2,959,649
1,232,643
6,872,074
9,153,999
21,640,079
784,157
1,092,720
12,354,373

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 31st Dec 2006 to 30th Dec 2007:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PSPDSXBGCPS2

Total
16,392,907
7,781,535
8,391,022
11,565,866
30,443,238
9,334
210,458
9,454,607

Total
19,352,556
9,014,178

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Nov 2006 to 30th Dec 2007:

Total
19,067,559
8,842,596

Interesting. =)


What's interesting?  The fact that you counted the week ending 31st Dec 2006 twice?

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Game_boy on 25 January 2008
dbot said:
Game_boy said:

 

The real factors are software sales and sustained hardware profit.

PS2 has low software sales, PSP has abysmal and PS3 is good... relative to the tiny userbase.

PS3 loses massive amounts of money, PSP makes some money (less than a DS) and PS2 likely has razor margins. The net result is massive overall losses.

Finally, PS2 is declining and since neither PS3 nor PSP will fill that void, overall profit trends are negative not positive.

Therefore, it doesn't matter that Sony technically sells the most consoles as their influence on the market is very small and declining.

 


Please provide your source for the statement "PS3 loses massive amounts of money." I read this statement a lot on this site and am curious what it is based on? I am not saying it is false, but I would like to understand what it is based on.

"Therefore, it doesn't matter that Sony technically sells the most consoles as their influence on the market is very small and declining."

I think these numbers show that Sony is serving 2 markets. The casual gamer market is served by the PS2 and competes with the Wii. Obviously the Wii dominates this market, but to sell 9 million consoles with 8 year old technology is pretty impressive. Sony is also doing well in the high definition gaming market. They are within a 1/2 million sales of the 360. (The 360 had a far superior game library in 2007). I don't think these numbers support your theory that Sony's influence on the market is small and declining.

 

 

 


Sony is losing money. Sony has low software sales. Sony is losing in each market segment it is in. Sony's products are either declining ior remaining constant in sales. Therefore, Sony has little influence over the video game market. Selectively quoting figures won't change that. 

As for PS3 losing money, after the PS3's launch iSuppli calculated a single PS3 cost $800+ to produce without factoring in marketing, development and distribution costs. Sony sells PS3s to retailers for slighly less than $499 or $399. A 50% drop in price in just over a year is impossible. The real proof, however, is that Sony is losing and expects to further lose many multiples of 10^9 USD. That loss can only come from selling a product at a massive loss, and so the PS3, PSP and/or the PS2 must lose massive amounts of money.



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dschumm on 25 January 2008

I always find this arguement frustrating. The PS2 and PS3 don't exist in bubbles serperate from each other. Same as the Wii and PS3. Wether you like to believe it or not some people have purchased the Wii and because of the have delayed or canceled plans to buy a PS3. Same with PS2. Some people who went to the store specifically chose to get a PS2 instead of a PS3 and now are probably not buying a PS3 any time soon. I think that huge PS2 sales are HURTING Sony not helping.

I would make the arguement that the portables are competing with the PS3 as well to some extent(see Japan). But I am not going to waste anyone's time convincing them of that.

Most PS2 consumers are either replacing a broken PS2 or are late generation purchasers, who wont be selecting a system until long after the war is over. They will wait unitil the one of the wii/ps3/360 is under $150 and has the lion's share of the games produced.

Stop repeating Sony's talking points. I agree that Sony had a better year than people wanted to give them credit for but 2007 proved that last generation's influence isn't going to decide anything.



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Mummelmann on 25 January 2008

If Wii really has a competitor, it's the PS2...



dbot on 25 January 2008
Game_boy said:
dbot said:
Game_boy said:

 

The real factors are software sales and sustained hardware profit.

PS2 has low software sales, PSP has abysmal and PS3 is good... relative to the tiny userbase.

PS3 loses massive amounts of money, PSP makes some money (less than a DS) and PS2 likely has razor margins. The net result is massive overall losses.

Finally, PS2 is declining and since neither PS3 nor PSP will fill that void, overall profit trends are negative not positive.

Therefore, it doesn't matter that Sony technically sells the most consoles as their influence on the market is very small and declining.

 


Please provide your source for the statement "PS3 loses massive amounts of money." I read this statement a lot on this site and am curious what it is based on? I am not saying it is false, but I would like to understand what it is based on.

"Therefore, it doesn't matter that Sony technically sells the most consoles as their influence on the market is very small and declining."

I think these numbers show that Sony is serving 2 markets. The casual gamer market is served by the PS2 and competes with the Wii. Obviously the Wii dominates this market, but to sell 9 million consoles with 8 year old technology is pretty impressive. Sony is also doing well in the high definition gaming market. They are within a 1/2 million sales of the 360. (The 360 had a far superior game library in 2007). I don't think these numbers support your theory that Sony's influence on the market is small and declining.

 

 

 


Sony is losing money. Sony has low software sales. Sony is losing in each market segment it is in. Sony's products are either declining ior remaining constant in sales. Therefore, Sony has little influence over the video game market. Selectively quoting figures won't change that. 

As for PS3 losing money, after the PS3's launch iSuppli calculated a single PS3 cost $800+ to produce without factoring in marketing, development and distribution costs. Sony sells PS3s to retailers for slighly less than $499 or $399. A 50% drop in price in just over a year is impossible. The real proof, however, is that Sony is losing and expects to further lose many multiples of 10^9 USD. That loss can only come from selling a product at a massive loss, and so the PS3, PSP and/or the PS2 must lose massive amounts of money.


Do you have any updated figures?  Average standalone Blu-ray player at launch was $800, now it is $350.  Sony is now offering a single sku(granted some regions have a color option) that has fewer usb ports, no memory cards, no software emulation, and a removed emotion engine.  I would agree that both Sony and MS lose money per console sale, but I think you may have exagerated the loss.



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

dbot on 25 January 2008
dschumm said:
I always find this arguement frustrating. The PS2 and PS3 don't exist in bubbles serperate from each other. Same as the Wii and PS3. Wether you like to believe it or not some people have purchased the Wii and because of the have delayed or canceled plans to buy a PS3. Same with PS2. Some people who went to the store specifically chose to get a PS2 instead of a PS3 and now are probably not buying a PS3 any time soon. I think that huge PS2 sales are HURTING Sony not helping.

I would make the arguement that the portables are competing with the PS3 as well to some extent(see Japan). But I am not going to waste anyone's time convincing them of that.

Most PS2 consumers are either replacing a broken PS2 or are late generation purchasers, who wont be selecting a system until long after the war is over. They will wait unitil the one of the wii/ps3/360 is under $150 and has the lion's share of the games produced.

Stop repeating Sony's talking points. I agree that Sony had a better year than people wanted to give them credit for but 2007 proved that last generation's influence isn't going to decide anything.


I am not aware that I am repeating any "talking points".  I have been hesitant to post on this site because it seems as though any pro-sony or pro-ms comments are immediately dismissed as being "fan-boys".  I assure you that I am not a fan-boy. 

Personally, I think the Wii's sales should be compared solely to the PS2's sales (standard definition and sub $300) and the 360 to the PS3 (high definition and higher price points). 

 



Thanks for the input, Jeff.

 

 

CrazzyMan on 25 January 2008
Linkzmax said:
CrazzyMan said:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 01st Jan 2006 to 31st Dec 2006:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PSPDSXBGCPS2
Total
2,959,649
1,232,643
6,872,074
9,153,999
21,640,079
784,157
1,092,720
12,354,373

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 31st Dec 2006 to 30th Dec 2007:

ConsoleWiiPS3X360PSPDSXBGCPS2

Total
16,392,907
7,781,535
8,391,022
11,565,866
30,443,238
9,334
210,458
9,454,607

Total
19,352,556
9,014,178

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 05th Nov 2006 to 30th Dec 2007:

Total
19,067,559
8,842,596

Interesting. =)


What's interesting?  The fact that you counted the week ending 31st Dec 2006 twice?

The difference 160k.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 24th Dec 2006 to 31st Dec 2006:

ConsolePS3

Total
359,443

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 31st Dec 2006 to 07th Jan 2007:

ConsolePS3

Total
306,581

Try again? =)



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far