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o_O.Q on 12 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:

No offense but Sales is right in what he is saying.  The sales have been good but the games themselves have had problems and that is not rigged in anyway.  Ill take GT5 for example which I believe has an 83 on metacritic.  It was really cool that they put some premium cars in the game that was relistic on the inside but they had 100s and 100s of copy and paste cars from GT4.  The trees was like cardboard and the crowd as well.  It also has no damage on cars like forza or customization.  Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements and while it doesnt sell as well as GT by  many people who have played both will say Forza is the better game which the reviews reflect that.  A game that takes 5-6 years to make better be very good. If Turn 10 can make a better game in 2 years imagine with 6 years.


i don't think that i've ever read more bs about gt 5 honestly

no damage on the cars? then why is there a trophy activated when pieces fall off your car due to poor driving?

no customisation? sure there is no livery editor but cars along with their wheels can be painted, aero kits can be installed and a wide range of tuning options are available

"Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements"

yeah somehow the game with far less driving modes ( no rally, no f1, no go karting, no night driving etc etc etc ) "raises the bar" that's funny imo

edit:

i'm curious as to what you mean by raising the bar honestly lol

"i dont think it has cars rolling either"

...there is also a trophy activitaed if you roll your car in a race

...if you truly do own gt 5 you do an extremely poor job of demonstrating you actually played it


Woah woah, relax there buddy.  I explained the damage in a different post.  It has damage, but very little if i remember correctly.  Wasnt it only cosmetic?  I haven;t played it in a long time so i dont remember.  But if i remember right it was only cosemetic damage.  By customization i was talking about paint by the way. And as i said the reviews reflect my opinion so if you want to argue that is fine but I will still stand behind my opinion that Forza raised the bar.

 

tbh at this point i'm just curious as to how forza raises the bar and brings all of these gameplay elements you mentioned

what gameplay elements are speaking of specifically? lol ( in a game mind you that has far less racing modes )



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riderz13371 on 12 February 2013


Sorry i should explain better.  I actually own GT5 btw.  It has damage but very little.  It's been a while so i cant remember but i dont think it has cars rolling either.  As i cant remember everything exactly i wont go into this too much but from what I remember wehn you hit a car it may dent your car but nothing more.  Just a little cosmetic type dent but doesnt actually effect your car.  In Forza you wreck and you will lose parts off your car and hurt the insides of the car as well including transimission, engine, etc.  But as I said i havent played GT5 in a really long time so i could be remembering wrong

Full damage is unlocked at a later level in the game which I am assuming you haven't reached yet. Also, when you damage your car it also causes mechanical failures/damage meaning your wheel can be distorted and you can't drive straight your engine could be damaged and you go slower etc. 



Jaywood2010 on 12 February 2013
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:

No offense but Sales is right in what he is saying.  The sales have been good but the games themselves have had problems and that is not rigged in anyway.  Ill take GT5 for example which I believe has an 83 on metacritic.  It was really cool that they put some premium cars in the game that was relistic on the inside but they had 100s and 100s of copy and paste cars from GT4.  The trees was like cardboard and the crowd as well.  It also has no damage on cars like forza or customization.  Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements and while it doesnt sell as well as GT by  many people who have played both will say Forza is the better game which the reviews reflect that.  A game that takes 5-6 years to make better be very good. If Turn 10 can make a better game in 2 years imagine with 6 years.


i don't think that i've ever read more bs about gt 5 honestly

no damage on the cars? then why is there a trophy activated when pieces fall off your car due to poor driving?

no customisation? sure there is no livery editor but cars along with their wheels can be painted, aero kits can be installed and a wide range of tuning options are available

"Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements"

yeah somehow the game with far less driving modes ( no rally, no f1, no go karting, no night driving etc etc etc ) "raises the bar" that's funny imo

edit:

i'm curious as to what you mean by raising the bar honestly lol

"i dont think it has cars rolling either"

...there is also a trophy activitaed if you roll your car in a race

...if you truly do own gt 5 you do an extremely poor job of demonstrating you actually played it


Woah woah, relax there buddy.  I explained the damage in a different post.  It has damage, but very little if i remember correctly.  Wasnt it only cosmetic?  I haven;t played it in a long time so i dont remember.  But if i remember right it was only cosemetic damage.  By customization i was talking about paint by the way. And as i said the reviews reflect my opinion so if you want to argue that is fine but I will still stand behind my opinion that Forza raised the bar.

 

tbh at this point i'm just curious as to how forza raises the bar and brings all of these gameplay elements you mentioned

what gameplay elements are speaking of specifically? lol ( in a game mind you that has far less racing modes )

And before getting all pissy again.  This is what i was saying.




By raising the bar I am specifically talking about the customization, online, paint, auction house, the damage, and physics.  Gran Turismo 5 is a great game but do you honestly think that Forza 4 got much better reviews for no reason? I have both and I can certainly say that Forza was the better game.  Gran Turismo is more realistic though.  By the way the go karting on the game is not fun nor half the other stuff. 




       

Turkish on 12 February 2013

I agree. Yoshida has yet to prove himself, compared with Phil Harrison there isn't a lot this guy has done. Compare SCEs games output under both men. People love him for his tweets. If he doesn't deliver this year Kaz should think about replacing him with someone else.



Sal.Paradise on 12 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:

No offense but Sales is right in what he is saying.  The sales have been good but the games themselves have had problems and that is not rigged in anyway.  Ill take GT5 for example which I believe has an 83 on metacritic.  It was really cool that they put some premium cars in the game that was relistic on the inside but they had 100s and 100s of copy and paste cars from GT4.  The trees was like cardboard and the crowd as well.  It also has no damage on cars like forza or customization.  Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements and while it doesnt sell as well as GT by  many people who have played both will say Forza is the better game which the reviews reflect that.  A game that takes 5-6 years to make better be very good. If Turn 10 can make a better game in 2 years imagine with 6 years.


i don't think that i've ever read more bs about gt 5 honestly

no damage on the cars? then why is there a trophy activated when pieces fall off your car due to poor driving?

no customisation? sure there is no livery editor but cars along with their wheels can be painted, aero kits can be installed and a wide range of tuning options are available

"Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements"

yeah somehow the game with far less driving modes ( no rally, no f1, no go karting, no night driving etc etc etc ) "raises the bar" that's funny imo

edit:

i'm curious as to what you mean by raising the bar honestly lol

"i dont think it has cars rolling either"

...there is also a trophy activitaed if you roll your car in a race

...if you truly do own gt 5 you do an extremely poor job of demonstrating you actually played it


Woah woah, relax there buddy.  I explained the damage in a different post.  It has damage, but very little if i remember correctly.  Wasnt it only cosmetic?  I haven;t played it in a long time so i dont remember.  But if i remember right it was only cosemetic damage.  By customization i was talking about paint by the way. And as i said the reviews reflect my opinion so if you want to argue that is fine but I will still stand behind my opinion that Forza raised the bar.

no, the damage isnt only cosmetic 



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Jaywood2010 on 12 February 2013
Sal.Paradise said:
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:

No offense but Sales is right in what he is saying.  The sales have been good but the games themselves have had problems and that is not rigged in anyway.  Ill take GT5 for example which I believe has an 83 on metacritic.  It was really cool that they put some premium cars in the game that was relistic on the inside but they had 100s and 100s of copy and paste cars from GT4.  The trees was like cardboard and the crowd as well.  It also has no damage on cars like forza or customization.  Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements and while it doesnt sell as well as GT by  many people who have played both will say Forza is the better game which the reviews reflect that.  A game that takes 5-6 years to make better be very good. If Turn 10 can make a better game in 2 years imagine with 6 years.


i don't think that i've ever read more bs about gt 5 honestly

no damage on the cars? then why is there a trophy activated when pieces fall off your car due to poor driving?

no customisation? sure there is no livery editor but cars along with their wheels can be painted, aero kits can be installed and a wide range of tuning options are available

"Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements"

yeah somehow the game with far less driving modes ( no rally, no f1, no go karting, no night driving etc etc etc ) "raises the bar" that's funny imo

edit:

i'm curious as to what you mean by raising the bar honestly lol

"i dont think it has cars rolling either"

...there is also a trophy activitaed if you roll your car in a race

...if you truly do own gt 5 you do an extremely poor job of demonstrating you actually played it


Woah woah, relax there buddy.  I explained the damage in a different post.  It has damage, but very little if i remember correctly.  Wasnt it only cosmetic?  I haven;t played it in a long time so i dont remember.  But if i remember right it was only cosemetic damage.  By customization i was talking about paint by the way. And as i said the reviews reflect my opinion so if you want to argue that is fine but I will still stand behind my opinion that Forza raised the bar.

no, the damage isnt only cosmetic 

Thank you for answering that.  Nobody else seemed to want to answer that.   




       

riderz13371 on 12 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:

No offense but Sales is right in what he is saying.  The sales have been good but the games themselves have had problems and that is not rigged in anyway.  Ill take GT5 for example which I believe has an 83 on metacritic.  It was really cool that they put some premium cars in the game that was relistic on the inside but they had 100s and 100s of copy and paste cars from GT4.  The trees was like cardboard and the crowd as well.  It also has no damage on cars like forza or customization.  Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements and while it doesnt sell as well as GT by  many people who have played both will say Forza is the better game which the reviews reflect that.  A game that takes 5-6 years to make better be very good. If Turn 10 can make a better game in 2 years imagine with 6 years.


i don't think that i've ever read more bs about gt 5 honestly

no damage on the cars? then why is there a trophy activated when pieces fall off your car due to poor driving?

no customisation? sure there is no livery editor but cars along with their wheels can be painted, aero kits can be installed and a wide range of tuning options are available

"Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements"

yeah somehow the game with far less driving modes ( no rally, no f1, no go karting, no night driving etc etc etc ) "raises the bar" that's funny imo

edit:

i'm curious as to what you mean by raising the bar honestly lol

"i dont think it has cars rolling either"

...there is also a trophy activitaed if you roll your car in a race

...if you truly do own gt 5 you do an extremely poor job of demonstrating you actually played it


Woah woah, relax there buddy.  I explained the damage in a different post.  It has damage, but very little if i remember correctly.  Wasnt it only cosmetic?  I haven;t played it in a long time so i dont remember.  But if i remember right it was only cosemetic damage.  By customization i was talking about paint by the way. And as i said the reviews reflect my opinion so if you want to argue that is fine but I will still stand behind my opinion that Forza raised the bar.

 

tbh at this point i'm just curious as to how forza raises the bar and brings all of these gameplay elements you mentioned

what gameplay elements are speaking of specifically? lol ( in a game mind you that has far less racing modes )

And before getting all pissy again.  This is what i was saying.




By raising the bar I am specifically talking about the customization, online, paint, auction house, the damage, and physics.  Gran Turismo 5 is a great game but do you honestly think that Forza 4 got much better reviews for no reason? I have both and I can certainly say that Forza was the better game.  Gran Turismo is more realistic though.  By the way the go karting on the game is not fun nor half the other stuff. 

Has the guy in the video even unlocked full damage? Doesn't seem like it to me. also @bold - I find it fun sometimes =P. F1 cars are my favorite and it's why I prefer GT over Forza. More diversity.



Jaywood2010 on 12 February 2013
riderz13371 said:
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
JayWood2010 said:

No offense but Sales is right in what he is saying.  The sales have been good but the games themselves have had problems and that is not rigged in anyway.  Ill take GT5 for example which I believe has an 83 on metacritic.  It was really cool that they put some premium cars in the game that was relistic on the inside but they had 100s and 100s of copy and paste cars from GT4.  The trees was like cardboard and the crowd as well.  It also has no damage on cars like forza or customization.  Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements and while it doesnt sell as well as GT by  many people who have played both will say Forza is the better game which the reviews reflect that.  A game that takes 5-6 years to make better be very good. If Turn 10 can make a better game in 2 years imagine with 6 years.


i don't think that i've ever read more bs about gt 5 honestly

no damage on the cars? then why is there a trophy activated when pieces fall off your car due to poor driving?

no customisation? sure there is no livery editor but cars along with their wheels can be painted, aero kits can be installed and a wide range of tuning options are available

"Forza raised the bar in my opinion this gen with car simulators.  It added more gameplay elements"

yeah somehow the game with far less driving modes ( no rally, no f1, no go karting, no night driving etc etc etc ) "raises the bar" that's funny imo

edit:

i'm curious as to what you mean by raising the bar honestly lol

"i dont think it has cars rolling either"

...there is also a trophy activitaed if you roll your car in a race

...if you truly do own gt 5 you do an extremely poor job of demonstrating you actually played it


Woah woah, relax there buddy.  I explained the damage in a different post.  It has damage, but very little if i remember correctly.  Wasnt it only cosmetic?  I haven;t played it in a long time so i dont remember.  But if i remember right it was only cosemetic damage.  By customization i was talking about paint by the way. And as i said the reviews reflect my opinion so if you want to argue that is fine but I will still stand behind my opinion that Forza raised the bar.

 

tbh at this point i'm just curious as to how forza raises the bar and brings all of these gameplay elements you mentioned

what gameplay elements are speaking of specifically? lol ( in a game mind you that has far less racing modes )

And before getting all pissy again.  This is what i was saying.




By raising the bar I am specifically talking about the customization, online, paint, auction house, the damage, and physics.  Gran Turismo 5 is a great game but do you honestly think that Forza 4 got much better reviews for no reason? I have both and I can certainly say that Forza was the better game.  Gran Turismo is more realistic though.  By the way the go karting on the game is not fun nor half the other stuff. 

Has the guy in the video even unlocked full damage? Doesn't seem like it to me. also @bold - I find it fun sometimes =P. F1 cars are my favorite and it's why I prefer GT over Forza. More diversity.


F1 cars are in Forza im pretty sure.    

EDIT: I get people will have there preferences and I never intended for someone to get all angry.  Not you.  The other guy.




       

riderz13371 on 12 February 2013


F1 cars are in Forza im pretty sure.    

EDIT: I get people will have there preferences and I never intended for someone to get all angry.  Not you.  The other guy.

Can't you tell I'm furious right now though? I'M USING CAPS LOCK DAMMIT!



o_O.Q on 12 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
o_O.Q said:
tbh at this point i'm just curious as to how forza raises the bar and brings all of these gameplay elements you mentioned

what gameplay elements are speaking of specifically? lol ( in a game mind you that has far less racing modes )

And before getting all pissy again.  This is what i was saying.




By raising the bar I am specifically talking about the customization, online, paint, auction house, the damage, and physics.  Gran Turismo 5 is a great game but do you honestly think that Forza 4 got much better reviews for no reason?

lol so you answer with someone elses opinion? couldn't i just find a video with someone who thinks gt 5 is better?

all i asked was for you explain this point in your own opinion " It added more gameplay elements"

what did you mean by more gameplay elements?


lol physics is just about the ony thing you mentioned that i'd call related to gameplay and as far as i know just about everyone agrees that that is better in gt5

and as i said before damage gets worse as you level up

 

i already agreed that forza has better painting

 

but for the other stuff like online gt5 has comparable features regardless