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theprof00 on 12 February 2013
mrstickball said:
theprof00 said:
mrstickball said:
46M Live Users * 57% Entertainment App Usage = 26.2M gold users.

how many posters does it take to figure out the blatantly obvious?

uh oh! looks like a mistake stick!

2 years ago, dec of 2010, xbox gold members were at 12m. In 2011, Steve Ballmer celebrated a 10% increase, which would be 13.2m.

In a year, I would be shocked if it even reached 26m unless that 2 year contract has been gangbusters for them, which we would have heard already.

 

If the gold numbers were impressive, they would have given them. I'd say it's no higher than 18m gold subscribers on average (at the very most)

Do you have a citation for 13.2m in 2011?

Couldn't find it though I've posted it on vgc before. It was greenberg or nelson saying they were up on subs by 10% year over year.

(Like here "

 

As of Nov 15 2011, xbox live total was 35m, so most likely it is around 18m based on greenberg's comments that gold is roughly over half.

From 2010 to 2011, they went up 10m.
It stands to reason that they grew the same from 11 to 12, confirming the 46m users number.

One question that immediately pops up is how did xbox live users grow by 11m, when they barely sold 11.5m during the same time period? 

Nevertheless, gold members had to increase by 5m this year to be "historically accurate".

Other questionable numbers are:

"18 billion hours of entertainment is an impressive number, growing over 10 percent since 2011. Microsoft's data also shows that the average user spent over 87 hours a month on their Xbox 360 or Xbox, another 10 percent gain since 2011."

How can hours only increase ten percent when gold supposedly increased by 5m ( 20% )....and the average user hours are also up by 10%, meaning that these new users play half as much?

And sales for the year are down 29%, yet live increase is the exact same growth as last year?
Last year they sold 14m, users up 10m, gold up 5m, this year 11m in sales, users up 10m, gold supposedly (historically speaking) increase 5m.



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mrstickball on 12 February 2013
theprof00 said:
mrstickball said:

Do you have a citation for 13.2m in 2011?

Couldn't find it though I've posted it on vgc before. It was greenberg or nelson saying they were up on subs by 10% year over year.

(Like here "

 

As of Nov 15 2011, xbox live total was 35m, so most likely it is around 18m based on greenberg's comments that gold is roughly over half.

From 2010 to 2011, they went up 10m.
It stands to reason that they grew the same from 11 to 12, confirming the 46m users number.

One question that immediately pops up is how did xbox live users grow by 11m, when they barely sold 11.5m during the same time period? 

Nevertheless, gold members had to increase by 5m this year to be "historically accurate".

Other questionable numbers are:

"18 billion hours of entertainment is an impressive number, growing over 10 percent since 2011. Microsoft's data also shows that the average user spent over 87 hours a month on their Xbox 360 or Xbox, another 10 percent gain since 2011."

How can hours only increase ten percent when gold supposedly increased by 5m ( 20% )....and the average user hours are also up by 10%, meaning that these new users play half as much?

And sales for the year are down 29%, yet live increase is the exact same growth as last year?
Last year they sold 14m, users up 10m, gold up 5m, this year 11m in sales, users up 10m, gold supposedly (historically speaking) increase 5m.

 

You aren't looking at the right numbers. We should note that the number of XBL users increased by 11m users from November 15th 2011 through February  2013, when this report was released.  That means about 16 million Xbox 360's were sold, not 11.5 million units as you claim. Again, this number meshes with typical connectivity rates of ~75%, which would mean that approximately 12.4 million Xboxes should be online from the last time MS made a statement on XBL connectivity (Nov 15th 2011 as per your citation).

So this all meshes with what has been said. As of mid November, 2011, they had 35M XBL users among 57.9M Xbox 360's (60.44% online). Today, its 62.1%, which sounds about right. Their numbers match well with VGC's sales data, not your numbers.



Back from the dead, I'm afraid.

theprof00 on 12 February 2013

Ah you are right. I mixed up which numbers I was using.

I found another link for Jan 2012 saying 40m users.

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/60687-xbox-live-users-topple-40-million

Meaning they gained 4m between nov 15 and jan 10.



VGKing on 12 February 2013
Argh_College said:
VGKing said:

46m Xbox Live MEMBERS, not active users. There is a difference and this includes Silver accounts.

The 76m Xbox 360 numbers is sold to retailers, AKA shipped.

You may already know this, but I thougt I had to say it as the OP and title clearly don't understand.

Made me LOL so hard i just stip my coffee TROOLOLOL

Again, Microsoft only Reports ACTIVE USERS (i.e have at least signed once in the last 8 months).

IF THEY WERE GOING TO REPORT MEMBER SINCE 2005 THERE WOULD VE OVER 100 MILION SINCE HALO 3 ALONE WAS CLOSING 25M LAST YEAR ON LEADERBOARDS.

Anything else you guys are saying is wishfull thinking, if Halo 3 was closing 25 milions players that means Call o Duty is way above 30, all of them alone on Xbox Live.

Ballmer said this long time ago on a e3 interview.

LOL people really think 46m is from members hahahahaha how in hell HAHAHAHA

When Most people have made 3 free 1 month accounts just to boost Halo 3 ranks or boost Call of Duty prestiges.

This Active, not all-time... All- Time is above 100m, you can bet on that.

Wow. You're a little...excited. Is this why you made a thread about this? Because I didn't reply to you in time?



ironmanDX on 12 February 2013

Sorry to be "that guy" but does this mean that the 360 is under-tracked? If it's 76+ million shipped can there be 2 million 360's on the shelf this close after Christmas?

Meh, with that I'm going back to bed..



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riderz13371 on 12 February 2013
JayWood2010 said:
riderz13371 said:
JayWood2010 said:
riderz13371 said:
think-man said:
riderz13371 said:
think-man said:

Shipped?

 

I usually ignore Arghs threads.

Of course it's shipped.

Then Wtf is everyone celebrating about!?!?

I don't know to be honest with you.


because it is an achievement?  76m sold, 24m kinects with 46m accounts on XBL is pretty huge numbers.  Riderz im cool with you and all but dont be ridiculous. You guys know very well why people are happy about this.  Because it is an achievement.  Just like if Sony came out and said we have sold 76m PS3's, 46m PS+ accounts, 24m PS eyes blah blah.  People would be happy about that.  not hard to figure out guys

@bold - I honestly wouldn't give a shit. 

Edit - It's a cool accomplishment for the company, but not something I would personally care for.

Then why are you in here commenting?

Because someone thought it was 46m gold members and I wanted to correct them.



ZaneWane on 13 February 2013
ironmanDX said:
Sorry to be "that guy" but does this mean that the 360 is under-tracked? If it's 76+ million shipped can there be 2 million 360's on the shelf this close after Christmas?

Meh, with that I'm going back to bed..

 

xbox and kinect both undertracked