Xbox 360 sells +76m, Kinect sells 24m - Live OVER 46m Active Users. Apps Really Big...

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riderz13371 on 11 February 2013

axumblade said:

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46M Live Users * 57% Entertainment App Usage = 26.2M gold users.

I'd say that the 46 million are all gold. It's just over half the consoles sold according to M$ numbers. %57 of gold users just use the apps or it's just an increase over another period of time like last year. If 46 million people only conected the 360 to the internet not even trying the free gold trial or silver, that's just over half who even attempted internet connection with the 360. Not a chance. Live was and still is a selling point, surely they would atleast try it.

LOL 46m are all gold? Woah there buddy hold your horses. Let me link you to something interesting

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/60687-xbox-live-users-topple-40-million

"Ballmer said that of those 66 million Xbox 360 consoles, there are 40 million users who have signed up for an online Xbox Live account."

I guess that makes sense...a little over 6 million new users to xbox live with 10 million extra sales. Given that the article you linked to is over a year old...

The point I was trying to make is that the 46m users are NOT gold members. I just gave that link to show that it was recently announced that there are 40m users who have simply signed up for an account, not paid for live. IronmanDX said that there are 46m Gold users, which is incorrect.

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Farsala on 12 February 2013

JayWood2010 said:

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I'm just saying that is my prediction. And slaughtering? No, not even close. 26m users are likely to be paying for XBL right now. NOw last i had heard PS+ is around 3m. Now while that was a while ago i dont expect it to be too much more than that now.

But yes $99 does seem like a lot but what do you think people prefer doing, paying $600 for a console or paying $99 a year? Also this may even be a threat to DVR cable companies. My cable bill for example is $200 a month which comes out to being $2400 a year. so $99 a year compared to $2400 a year is pocket change and i would be saving $2300. Now I dont actually expect to get rid of cable just yet becuase i doubt that it will be that big of a threat to them just yet. But in time if they get all the channels i want which is bacically AMC, HBO, ESPN, and a few other channels I'm set to go.

Lastly do you realize that a lot of cell phones are around $1000+ in a lifetime? Whoah right? I pay $75 a month for my cell phone which is actually cheaper than some plans. I payed $200 up front and i have to pay for the phone for a two year contract right? what does that come out to? $2000. Now when you take a subscription model it appears better than what it is but to people that $99 will look much better than $600 up front. $100 a year for a media hub, not bad.

you got me wrong on the slaughtering thing, i didnt mean PS+ slaughtering xbox live. that would be ludacris to even claim. but i ment how the media is reacting now to ps+/xbox live. i was talking about the media, not sales numbers lol

and as i said i think MS will do it. there might be a market for it. but comparing it to cell phones isnt the best comparision. for example when sony released the ps3 for 500/600$ people went crazy over how expensive it was, but then they would gladly go buy an iphone for 700 or 800 bucks. even now people are complaining about how the vita is expensive for 250 bucks but a cellphone for triple the price is normal. same goes for the WiiU. i understand subscibtions for cellphones are extremely expensive in USA in particuler, but cellphones are considered a nessity, gaming isnt. everybody should own a cell phone and use it, its a must for human interaction these days. gaming isnt, so there is a big initiative to buy a cellphone as compared to a game console

but ill say one thing that people here tend to overlook, even though alot of people claim that MS arent bringing anything new to the gaming indusrty by not bringing any new IPs and all that stuff (no need to get into that lol) but they do bring something new and "innovate" in how they sell their console. heck its obvious even sony are starting to learn and their stratgy of selling consoles this year was very much taken out of MS's book. for example the limited edition bundles or instead of cutting the price add two games and 3 months of PSN/xbox live with the console. let third parties push the console for the core market insead of competing with them. all the deals with ubisoft for AC3 bundles and EA for battlefield and fifa bundles are all things sony didnt do until MS did it before them. my point is, if there is any company that is going to find a new way to sell its console, its probably gonna be MS. they know the US market better than sony and nintendo and they know how to reach that market better. so a subscribition based model for nextbox isnt unlikely, and it being successful isnt unlikely either.

sorry for the very long post btw

Nah i like long posts. Much better than short ones that really doesnt push a conersation at all lol

I bolded what i agreed with and underlined what i didnt agree with. I completely agree with phones are now a necessity and games are not but I also dont see people paying $600 for a phone. now i dont know the numbers but my guess would be that 90% of all phones are sold under a plan. Which means you are paying anywhere from 0.99c to $300 up front. I've never seen a phone more than $300 for a phone plan up front and even that is rare. I think most iphones are around $100(somebody will correct me if i'm wrong). But really the only reason you buy an unlocked phone is if you break your phone or some other miscellaneuos reason.

i honestly dont know exactly how people prefer to buy phones in the US and whats the most popular method since i dont live there, so i judge by comparing the phones price unlocked. but also when paying for a phone through monthly payments you buy the plan too. now with xbox you will be getting xbox live, it will come down to people seeing if xbox live is worth 100$ a year for about 5 years (just an estimate) its certainly tricky. and another thing in the usa if plans are the way people have bought phones then they are used to that, thats just how they get phones, they pick the phone. pay a small price upfront then pay for the carrier for the monthly service, but with consoles it has never been that way. you buy the console and thats it, the only thing remaining to pay for the games. i think people will have a harder time transitioning to that subscribtion model where they ultimatly pay more.

btw i would like to mention since u mentioned u pay 75$ bucks on your cellphone service that i pay just 6 bucks a month for practically unlimited calls and i get 3G with that too. it doesnt include the phone though i bought it by my self. but still 6 bucks a MONTH !

Oh so you guys dont have subcription plans like we do in the U.S.? Yeah we dont really buy unlocked phones here very often. We paqy through our plans. It'll pay for the hardware, data, minutes, etc.

And wtf, only $6? It use to be cheaper hre until it became a requirement to have data on your plan from AT&T. I dont know about verizon, they may do it a little different.

Your 2000$ number is ridiculous lol. My mother pays a family plan thing for 3 phones and for like 100$ a month 60$ of that is a smartphone. So 33$ ish per phone a month and it is only 800$ for a single phone give or take 100$. The smarthphone of course takes the majority of it. 20$ a month for regular phones 480$.

Least that is how it is here, still a lot more then Europe.

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Squilliam on 12 February 2013

MB1025 said:

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The link says more than 76 million sold.

So we will use the PS poster logic and say that must mean 79 million.

My PS posters are just pretty pictures. Where do you get the ones which also think?

Tease.

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riderz13371 on 12 February 2013

axumblade said:

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axumblade said:

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ironmanDX said:

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46M Live Users * 57% Entertainment App Usage = 26.2M gold users.

I'd say that the 46 million are all gold. It's just over half the consoles sold according to M$ numbers. %57 of gold users just use the apps or it's just an increase over another period of time like last year. If 46 million people only conected the 360 to the internet not even trying the free gold trial or silver, that's just over half who even attempted internet connection with the 360. Not a chance. Live was and still is a selling point, surely they would atleast try it.

LOL 46m are all gold? Woah there buddy hold your horses. Let me link you to something interesting

http://www.tgdaily.com/games-and-entertainment-brief/60687-xbox-live-users-topple-40-million

"Ballmer said that of those 66 million Xbox 360 consoles, there are 40 million users who have signed up for an online Xbox Live account."

I guess that makes sense...a little over 6 million new users to xbox live with 10 million extra sales. Given that the article you linked to is over a year old...

The point I was trying to make is that the 46m users are NOT gold members. I just gave that link to show that it was recently announced that there are 40m users who have simply signed up for an account, not paid for live. IronmanDX said that there are 46m Gold users, which is incorrect.

nvm. I see what you're talking about. But still, using an article from last year is not the best means to go about to try to prove a point.

I couldn't find any earlier sources that gave Xbox live user numbers. I wanted to at least have one source just so it didn't seem like I was making shit up.