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LemonSlice said:

"in Japan for example, they have the most violent games"

Really? Is she a Japanese games expert? Recent games from Japan include Ni No Kuni, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing. I would say far from more violent compared to the west. A lot of violent video games in Japan are imported from the west.

It's hard to say which is more violent, but Japanese games are at least as violent.  Naming the non-bloody games doesn't erase the bloody games.



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Good, leave video games alone. I means she think movies and video games are off the table but fox news wants to blame them instead.



LemonSlice said:

"in Japan for example, they have the most violent games"

Really? Is she a Japanese games expert? Recent games from Japan include Ni No Kuni, Fire Emblem and Animal Crossing. I would say far from more violent compared to the west. A lot of violent video games in Japan are imported from the west.

There has also been Resident Evil 6, Ken's Rage 2, DmC (not completely developed in Japan, but the UK has lower gun crime too), and soon Metal Gear Rising.  Also it isn't Japan vs the West, but Japan vs the US.

That's not to say they are more violent overall, but the point is it's not like all their games are rainbows and sunshine.



It's our culture.
We are a cut-throat nation. It's only natural that our culture is similarly poised.
The problem is the trickle down effect. As businesses piss on the middle-men, the middle men piss on us, and then we piss on each other. We learn that taking advantage of others is the solution to success.



JayWood2010 said:

 

 "The evidence says, in Japan for example, they have the most violent games 

 


You shouldn't talk about things you know nothing about



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Looks like the pollsters got to her... considering she up until very recently was throwing video games under that bus. Either that or she's waiting until guns get trampled under the bus and THEN will throw video games under it.

 

Also?  10 million dollars?  Research isn't nearly that expensive... what the hell?  Are they planning to program their own current generation videogame one with blood and an exact one without blood or something?



theprof00 said:
It's our culture.
We are a cut-throat nation. It's only natural that our culture is similarly poised.
The problem is the trickle down effect. As businesses piss on the middle-men, the middle men piss on us, and then we piss on each other. We learn that taking advantage of others is the solution to success.

This seems unlikely for a number of reasons.  First off, the homicide rate has actually been going down... and been going down for a long time now.


Secondly, homicide rates are actually consistant with Europeon levels.  If you exclude Blacks and Hispanic People.

So generally you woudln't expect it to be a big general cultural change but something that very specifically targets these groups.  If it were as you would say are homicide rate would be more evenly distributed.

 

I'd peg it towards a sense of alientation and distrust of the authorities, legacy of past "hard" racism, and our punative jail system causing a disproportiante amount of Black and Hispanic parents to be thrown in jail.  Causing families and children to essentially become disegnaged with society, school and in general joining gangs, committing crimes and the like, and feeling like they need to take care of their own buisness.

What America needs to do is find ways to reach out to the African American and Hispanic communties (and poorer white areas) and reform the police in their eyes so people don't think they can trust the police, or think that going to them is a shameful act.  Instead having to solve their problems themselves, sometimes ultimatly at the point of a gun.  In general a better effort needs to be made to make them feel assimilated into society.

Trust me, I know a lot of people like this, if they get beat up, or someone robs them, they don't call the police, to them that's crazy.  Instead they'll jump the guy back, or steal something from them.  They'll beat the shit out of each other... and then sometimes they're cool right afterwords.  Othertimes it escalates into them trying to kill each other.  

Essentially by bringing people together hopefully it will calm down that type of attiude and help stop gangs.  Though even then we'll probably have a higher homicide rate due to mexican smugglers.  (Who interestingly greatly drag up the Illegal Alien homicde rate.  As lots of towns with lots of illegal aliens are actually extremly safe, because well illegal aliens don't want to be deported so they try and not commit crime if avoidable.)


The US isn't actually the only ones with this problem, it's happening in a lot of Europeon countries as they get more and more immigrants and feel excluded.  A lot of these countries just haven't had the same level of ethnic diversity as the US.



Kasz, can you explain a bit about the reasoning for removing minorities from the equation? Did you remove from both sides?



badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

Is there some sort of conspiracy theory that some have where they believe Hollywood controls the videogame industry?  I am sure the videogame industry has envy and want to be like Hollywood, but to say Hollywood controls videogames is absurd to epic proportions.

Since most video games want to be bad movies these days, you can't blame outsiders for thinking they're made in Hollywood.