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curl-6 on 13 February 2013
Tachikoma said:
curl-6 said:

And Halo 3 actually proves my point better because it shows that even 2 years after launch a console isn't necessarily being pushed. The fact that it was different studios and engines doesn't negate the clear graphical advancement over the console's lifespan. Information and documentation is shared between studios, they learn from each other.

Halo 3 and ODST ran on modified versions of the Halo 2 engine with some 360 specific updates and improvements, Halo 4's engine was built from the ground up, it's obvious that a ground up engine will look better.

Documentation isn't shared between studios like you seem to think - sister studios or studios very friendly with each other will help each other out, yes, but not "hey just use our engine" or "hey heres months of coding work, use this instead".

YES - console games and graphics improve over time, but, and i say this, after - as you say, 'information is shared between studios', both the studio i used to work for, and the studio i now work for, are more or less skipping the WiiU - the Dreamcast was capable of more than the last games it received, but never got to show that power because it died out - and guess what...

And we haven't seen any "built from the ground up" Wii U engines yet. At least not in a big budget, graphically intensive game.

Studios obviously don't share resources when they're rivals, but as you say, they do when they are friendly with one another. And even if resources are not directly shared, people can look at each other's work and learn from their successes and mistakes.

And if you're implying the Wii U will die out like the Dreamcast, I don't think there's any realistic chance of that happening. Nintendo has shown that they can survive without third parties thanks to the power of brands like Mario Kart and Smash Bros.



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ninjablade on 13 February 2013

extra dev time game could make a look better and add more things, see oblivion on ps3,it came out a year later and looked much better then the 360 version.



drkohler on 13 February 2013
timmah said:
unaveragejoe said:

One thing I think we can put to rest is this. As far as the issue of the Wii U GPU being a AMD 4000 line or 5000 line. It would definitely be the 5000. I think if, based off anything it would have to be the 5550. The 4600 line has two 400Mhz RAMDACS.

To be clear: The 4000 series cards CANNOT run 3 displays simultaneously, while Nintendo has stated the WiiU is capable of running 3 displays. It cannot be a 4000 series card.

All this Ramdac talk.. I don't get it. The WiiU does NOT drive three displays. It drives ONE display. Are you seriously thinking the Gamepad connection is analogue and requires Ramdacs int the GPU???



dahuman on 13 February 2013
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:

Wow this runs so much worse and looks shittier right? o_O; I don't want your sig control, I want you to take my other bet, sig control means shit to me, and I still have no hard facts from you.

first off thsi port is coming out almost a  5 months later, so it should be enhanced, second of all u should wait for DF face off beofore calling a victory, it could run much worst for all we know.

Yet the 360 and PS3 can't take the PC assets eh? Hmmm... funny how that works after all you've sprouted. Better get used to it after devs get better with the coding, but it might just be voodoo magic too right? Just remember that there is a difference inbetween understanding something and quoting something. I don't doubt the expertise of Beyond3d or some of the people on GAF, but you are representing their speculations in the wrong way and in a way, you are making them look bad because you can't look past the lowest denominating SPECULATIONS. I look forward to the DF Face Off if you want to delay the inevitable so we can delay this discussion here and I'll revive it later. I'm more interested in the other bet though if you want to accept, I'd love to see you owning a Wii U if Bayonetta 2 remains an exclusive after 1 year hahaha.



dahuman on 13 February 2013
drkohler said:
timmah said:
unaveragejoe said:

One thing I think we can put to rest is this. As far as the issue of the Wii U GPU being a AMD 4000 line or 5000 line. It would definitely be the 5000. I think if, based off anything it would have to be the 5550. The 4600 line has two 400Mhz RAMDACS.

To be clear: The 4000 series cards CANNOT run 3 displays simultaneously, while Nintendo has stated the WiiU is capable of running 3 displays. It cannot be a 4000 series card.

All this Ramdac talk.. I don't get it. The WiiU does NOT drive three displays. It drives ONE display. Are you seriously thinking the Gamepad connection is analogue and requires Ramdacs int the GPU???

agreed, it's most likely rendering everything at once if it's an extra display space when not mirroring and streamed directly to the game pad, or a mirror stream to the game pad directly with different UI overlay. There is no need for a seperate RAMDAC.



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osed125 on 13 February 2013
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:

Wow this runs so much worse and looks shittier right? o_O; I don't want your sig control, I want you to take my other bet, sig control means shit to me, and I still have no hard facts from you.

first off thsi port is coming out almost a  5 months later, so it should be enhanced, second of all u should wait for DF face off beofore calling a victory, it could run much worst for all we know.

Yet the 360 and PS3 can't take the PC assets eh? Hmmm... funny how that works after all you've sprouted. Better get used to it after devs get better with the coding, but it might just be voodoo magic too right? Just remember that there is a difference inbetween understanding something and quoting something. I don't doubt the expertise of Beyond3d or some of the people on GAF, but you are representing their speculations in the wrong way and in a way, you are making them look bad because you can't look past the lowest denominating SPECULATIONS. I look forward to the DF Face Off if you want to delay the inevitable so we can delay this discussion here and I'll revive it later. I'm more interested in the other bet though if you want to accept, I'd love to see you owning a Wii U if Bayonetta 2 remains an exclusive after 1 year hahaha.

Seriously this guy have like 5-6 bets. He's probably going to lose all of them and get like 6 months of sig controls on himself lol.



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dahuman on 13 February 2013
osed125 said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:

Wow this runs so much worse and looks shittier right? o_O; I don't want your sig control, I want you to take my other bet, sig control means shit to me, and I still have no hard facts from you.

first off thsi port is coming out almost a  5 months later, so it should be enhanced, second of all u should wait for DF face off beofore calling a victory, it could run much worst for all we know.

Yet the 360 and PS3 can't take the PC assets eh? Hmmm... funny how that works after all you've sprouted. Better get used to it after devs get better with the coding, but it might just be voodoo magic too right? Just remember that there is a difference inbetween understanding something and quoting something. I don't doubt the expertise of Beyond3d or some of the people on GAF, but you are representing their speculations in the wrong way and in a way, you are making them look bad because you can't look past the lowest denominating SPECULATIONS. I look forward to the DF Face Off if you want to delay the inevitable so we can delay this discussion here and I'll revive it later. I'm more interested in the other bet though if you want to accept, I'd love to see you owning a Wii U if Bayonetta 2 remains an exclusive after 1 year hahaha.

Seriously this guy have like 5-6 bets. He's probably going to lose all of them and get like 6 months of sig controls on himself lol.


I'm not too much into sig bets, I like to bet bigger lol, you know how much I hate XBL Gold and Kinect so that bet would be awesome either way :D



curl-6 on 13 February 2013

If such things could be quantified, I'd make a bet with him that by the end of 2015 we'll see a Wii U game with better graphics than The Last of Us or God of War Ascension.



ninjablade on 13 February 2013
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:

Wow this runs so much worse and looks shittier right? o_O; I don't want your sig control, I want you to take my other bet, sig control means shit to me, and I still have no hard facts from you.

first off thsi port is coming out almost a  5 months later, so it should be enhanced, second of all u should wait for DF face off beofore calling a victory, it could run much worst for all we know.

Yet the 360 and PS3 can't take the PC assets eh? Hmmm... funny how that works after all you've sprouted. Better get used to it after devs get better with the coding, but it might just be voodoo magic too right? Just remember that there is a difference inbetween understanding something and quoting something. I don't doubt the expertise of Beyond3d or some of the people on GAF, but you are representing their speculations in the wrong way and in a way, you are making them look bad because you can't look past the lowest denominating SPECULATIONS. I look forward to the DF Face Off if you want to delay the inevitable so we can delay this discussion here and I'll revive it later. I'm more interested in the other bet though if you want to accept, I'd love to see you owning a Wii U if Bayonetta 2 remains an exclusive after 1 year hahaha.

if wiiu get 5 ports released the same time are clearly superior then i wil concede, wii u is the more powerful hardware, like i said late ports usually get enhanced, oblivion for example on ps3.



ninjablade on 13 February 2013
osed125 said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:
dahuman said:
ninjablade said:

Wow this runs so much worse and looks shittier right? o_O; I don't want your sig control, I want you to take my other bet, sig control means shit to me, and I still have no hard facts from you.

first off thsi port is coming out almost a  5 months later, so it should be enhanced, second of all u should wait for DF face off beofore calling a victory, it could run much worst for all we know.

Yet the 360 and PS3 can't take the PC assets eh? Hmmm... funny how that works after all you've sprouted. Better get used to it after devs get better with the coding, but it might just be voodoo magic too right? Just remember that there is a difference inbetween understanding something and quoting something. I don't doubt the expertise of Beyond3d or some of the people on GAF, but you are representing their speculations in the wrong way and in a way, you are making them look bad because you can't look past the lowest denominating SPECULATIONS. I look forward to the DF Face Off if you want to delay the inevitable so we can delay this discussion here and I'll revive it later. I'm more interested in the other bet though if you want to accept, I'd love to see you owning a Wii U if Bayonetta 2 remains an exclusive after 1 year hahaha.

Seriously this guy have like 5-6 bets. He's probably going to lose all of them and get like 6 months of sig controls on himself lol.

im pretty sure i will win most of them, now about yoour bet rememebr same time frame meaning if ps4 get delayed in europe, it wwould miss hoiday season, we have to wait for the next holiday season or we would compare the same months in 2013.