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theprof00 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
ok this is how it's looking to me.

if we lynch hat and he flips town. i'm going to be looking to lynch linkz and profoo. if linkz gets lynched, and flips town, then i'll be looking to lynch hat and radish.

Why me? Linkz is the one who is soft-claiming which would mean a guaranteed lie, when my involvement has been in scumhunting a player, and wrong as I may be in the end, doesn't make me worthy of a lynch.

that's where we disagree. but as i've said in my last post, i've changed my mind.



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theprof00 said:
hatmoza said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i know one thing. if we vote hat, and he flips cop. linkz gets lynched regardless. just makes sense to me.


See, the thing is, if he claims, then I will welcome my lynch. I will flip town, that will be proven. But Linkz has leeway because he never stated anything about his argument against me that is concrete. He will make up a bullshit role based on the events and my flip. He will go unlynched and talk his way out of it. I've seen it too many times in mafia.

If you go back to several of my posts. I stressed this point very strongly.

Not taking any steps further into the lynch hatmoza direction, but bolded just doesn't read like something town would say to me. I would think that if I were the cop, and being counter claimed, I would say something like "let's make a deal", or, "I'm so confidant that linkz is lying.....x....since I am the cop", or something like that.

What marcus is saying makes sense to me. Obviously, if Hat is the real cop, Linkz should be lynched immediately. I can't see the situation going any differently. Linkz just isn't backing down, which makes me think he's telling the truth. An experienced player such as Linkz would not all in call Hatmoza's bluff only to put town in an incredibly precarious situation of auto-lynching another townie on day 2, nor do I think Linkz would sacrifice himself to get a cop. The cop exists to lynch a scum, and he would only be fulfilling the cop's goal without the cop having to lift a finger.

Here's were you're wrong. I did offer a hand, I did tell him to admit he was lying. I gave Linkz all the opportunities to come and compromise. I'm kinda burnt out of repeating  myself. I tried everything I could to convince you all I am telling the truth but I think I've reached my limits. Especially with responses like yours. I'm not reaching you, but I like to believe it's because you're scum as well.

You do a lot of thinking in that post. You'll soon do a lot of knowing and explaining when my lynch goes through.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Linkzmax said:
Hmmm still no vote. Seriously hat, why no vote? I am very bothered by this!


I mentioned this at least a half a dozen times. Give a concrete claim and my vote will be yours. The showdown will start.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

theprof00 said:
another thing....
I'm getting the weirdest feeling about this whole mummery. This is a farce, isn't it?
Why make someone promise to lynch a counterclaiming cop who is lying?

Like I said, promises are unnecessary here....truly.
Lynching lynx on town cop hat is simply the correct course of action.

So why the theatrics?

I'd like everyone to chime in on this before day is over. I will single out and harass people til I've heard enough.

Here is what I want you to chime in on:
"Pretending that this situation is all that has happened this day 1, what does a mafia hat reveal mean to you...as in, if hat flips scum, what implications become apparent?"

PLEASE ANSWER THIS QUESTION BEFORE SCROLLING FURTHER THROUGH THE DAY.


prof, try to stay with me here. I will repeat.

Everything you question was answered by me at some point, directly or indirectly.

"Linkz lynch will automatically be the right choice if hat flips town": I said again and again, Linkz has refused to answer my call for his so called cop claim. He hasn't said anything specific about his claim that the town can hold him to tomorrow when I flip town cop.  This will generate an easy opportunity for Linkz to change his fake claim tomorrow as he sees fit. That's what the promises are for, to realize this and not fall for his bullshit. If I can't  turn my lynch around, I'll be satisfied and happy to know town will take the right direction tomorrow. My role flip will hopefully reinforce that.

And also, anyone who refuses to state or promise that when I do flip town cop, should be question. Yes you prof. You are the only one who hesitated to promise me that. Your unvote on me will not change my suspicion on you.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

Prof is getting a little desperate to dismiss anything I say. Even something as trivial as a promise. I have no worries for that because my flip will show both him and Linkz as the guilty ones.

Anywho, I'm trying to figure out what it is I said that provoked prof. It's not his stance on the promise thingy, that's just a prof front. I think it's because I said him and linkz and a lurker make-up for the scum team. The lurkers I mentioned were F-F and Darkthanatos. Could it be the 3 (or all for of them) are scum?



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

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Even if it's just to vote me, lurkers F-F and Darkthanatos, please come forward.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza said:
Linkzmax said:
Hmmm still no vote. Seriously hat, why no vote? I am very bothered by this!

I mentioned this at least a half a dozen times. Give a concrete claim and my vote will be yours. The showdown will start.

Haven't you accepted the showdown already by getting everyone to agree to lynch me after you?



Linkzmax said:
hatmoza said:
Linkzmax said:
Hmmm still no vote. Seriously hat, why no vote? I am very bothered by this!

I mentioned this at least a half a dozen times. Give a concrete claim and my vote will be yours. The showdown will start.

Haven't you accepted the showdown already by getting everyone to agree to lynch me after you?


The showdown between me and you would only happen when and if you decide to directly counter my claim. Since you refuse to claim, I took the necessary steps to prevent you from lying further tomorrow. Otherwise, you wouldn't have been so cautious and you wouldn't continue to dance for me.

I can already sense your fear for tomorrow.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

The only question I have "danced" around is the one someone outside of the situation might want answered. My soft counter is all an actual cop would need to vote me as a liar. So hat, you are not acting as if you're the cop, but rather as an outsider.



Hah!
You theorized what "provoked me", yet my own theories as to your own provocation are my own scumtells!

And anyway, what provocation are you imagining? What have I been provoked to do? That i want you hanged? Certainly you must understand that it's 90% spurge. Had u been playing from the start, it wouldn't have come this far, but don't think either that you've done much to lessen such suspicions.

For instance: You say you will be happy to hang so long as linkz names the cop.
But why is naming the cop a prerequisite? Surely, without naming a cop, the resuly would be the same- linkz being lynched.

ie: if you are mafia, then you could be pushing to out the actual cop after coming to the conclusion that spurge had knackered the game enough for survival. This would simply be a bonus.
and if you are town cop, then you're asking for a softcounterclaiming mafia to prove himself lest he is lynched.

him vlaiming first would (as town linkz) expose the real cop, and possibly lynch a mafia unless you are able to somehow talk your way out of that.
Or, it will expose him as a mafia when he cannot actually identify the cop.
And if we lynch you first, we potentially lose a cop, but definitely gain a mafia lynch the next day.

See, no matter what happens, the results are the same save for the potentiality that we lynch a copHat. But then what if Linkz is actually the cop and he's speaking of knowing the cop as a cover?

Either way there is either a cop getting lynched, or a cop getting exposed. The one guarantee is that a mafia WILL be lynched tomorrow....that person will be the partner to the flipped town lynch today.


Oh, and fyi... I don't like your promise because it lends too much credence to a town linkz. Ie...i think you both may be scum...this is why i asked what everyone would think if you flipped scum. If they say "confirms linkz as town", then that will confirm him as your buddy.