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and i never said i was always right. I shoot for a 60% ratio without power role....which ismuch higher than most of you. if you're one of the 2 town out of 5, makes no difference. You're a liability anyway.



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spurgeonryan said:
How? With my help, is the only reason town has even won in ..what? A dozen games? 2 out of 3 wins was partly with my help. You have not won a game for town in well over a dozen games. Lol! Also it was not hard to peg anyone that game. It was an act of god that the others for some reason did not see how stupid it all was. Congratz on bent right and doing nothing about it. Maybe you should lurk again. Town has a better chance of winning. Wait! You lurked as scum two games ago and you guys won! You are a master! It was because of your lurking.

Either you are scum or you have all of a sudden had a screw go loose in your head. Only possibilities.

Calling me crazy without any actual evidence is not a good defense.

I posted the reasons. Here's an updated list:
Poor reaction to accusations (especially since you call them baseless)
Not considering me to be mafia (first 4 responses to me)
Attacking me personally (second response to me)
Accusing me of things you cannot substantiate
Ignoring questions asked of you

You've said I'm grasping at straws yet can't tell me how so, called me illogical using evidence that does not prove it, and said I twisted your words but cannot provide an example of such.



spurgeonryan said:
But enough about me and how angry I make you. Even if I am scum there must be more. Why not take your tunnel vision off and take a gander at others why we wait to see who wants to vote for me.

I'll post my top 5 soon enough, and three of them will be scum, as per usual.



To be fair spurge accuses everyone of twsting his words anytime anyone gets the better of him in verbal confrontation.



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theprof00 said:
spurgeonryan said:
I did Just notice. I went back to last page. Saw that you quoted the same thing that you just post to me. So...since I can at least count to three, I noticed you had post it before. Why would I hold off on giving you my reads? If I was scum I would have snapped it out post haste!You are being illogical, imo. illogical means scum.

In fact, you and Radish are being kind of illogical.

WIFOM


Remind me what WIFOM is again and why it is scummy? I just want to clarify what you thnik it is before i comment on it



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spurgeonryan said:
Lets get this over with now.

Everyones cases against me, and everyones cases against the prof.

Please be sure to read everything both of us have written and try not to do any twisting of what either of us have post.

I have been quite clear, he has been answering little of anything, and nitpicking to try and push whatever he is trying to push. I have happily post, and answered questions. He answers a question ...with a question and gives all of us very little.

He is panicking. He still has remnants of his professionalism so he is hiding it well, but he knows he has messed up. The only way to get rid of the mess up is to not stop making accusations.

Spurge, you are making rather a large deal about Prof attacking you. Now i know that I tend to do a similar thing, where if someone attacks me I will want them to explain why, so i can show them why they are wrong- but this is different. 

Despite the fact it was almost entirely just you and Prof, you are now asking everyone to come to a decision between the two of you. We don't need to do that now, if anything, letting you two continue talking creates a better platform for us to make judgements on. To me it just seems like you want to nip this in the bud quickly. 

theprof00 said:
spurgeonryan said:
How? With my help, is the only reason town has even won in ..what? A dozen games? 2 out of 3 wins was partly with my help. You have not won a game for town in well over a dozen games. Lol! Also it was not hard to peg anyone that game. It was an act of god that the others for some reason did not see how stupid it all was. Congratz on bent right and doing nothing about it. Maybe you should lurk again. Town has a better chance of winning. Wait! You lurked as scum two games ago and you guys won! You are a master! It was because of your lurking.

Either you are scum or you have all of a sudden had a screw go loose in your head. Only possibilities.

Calling me crazy without any actual evidence is not a good defense.

I posted the reasons. Here's an updated list:
Poor reaction to accusations (especially since you call them baseless)
Not considering me to be mafia (first 4 responses to me)
Attacking me personally (second response to me)
Accusing me of things you cannot substantiate
Ignoring questions asked of you

You've said I'm grasping at straws yet can't tell me how so, called me illogical using evidence that does not prove it, and said I twisted your words but cannot provide an example of such.

So i actually agree with Prof here, in some points anyhow. I remember in my early game when you and I clashed, I just lost my logical thought process and ended up going to personal attacks. Didn't persuade anyone and made me look bad. The vast majority of the quoted post above is similar to that, and thus unnecessary. Prof is a good player, and i respect him as that. There is a reason he is often killed early on. So yeah, from this exchange it hasn't made me agree with your case anymore, and it made me suspect you a little more. 

FF raises the point that you often do a similar kind of thing- and it works on some players- doing it against Prof in this case? Not so much. 

Scum vibe warning Spurge?



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theprof00 said:
Seems this game I agree all too much with Nacho's reads.
Perhaps scum this time?
Similar reads don't mean one of us is scum. It just means scum is going to have a hell of a time this round.

TruckOSaurus said:
A pot (me) calling the kettle black moment:
- It seems radishhead is steering clear of providing any actual input by using the vote No Lynch tactic
But doesn't radish always do this? What makes you think that he is scum?

i wish i had more votes to put on final fan. many, many more votes.



Speaking of final fan-
I find your reasons for voting MDJ questionable at best. Lunching someone because you don't think they will be helpful in contribution as town is a terrible idea at best. Firstly, they come out with the occasional gem. Secondly- that's another town vote- thirdly why give mafia two kills? (One for MDJ and then the nightkill) That's the situation we are facing if MDJ is town.
If he is scum- then make some better points against him before you place your vote.

It just seems to me that you were trying to take advantage of the growing unease surrounding MDJ to generate a lynch. Your unvote on him after no-one followed you and people picked you up on it doesn't really help that case. Whilst it could be argued that you unvoted him for a better reason, that is just the feeling I get from you at the moment.



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Final-Fan said:
Nachomamma8 said:
Final-Fan said:

If this is going to be representative of your participation you're worthless as town and frankly not a bad suspect either.  You could be just gambling on doubling down on crazy as a way to get out of a lynch instead of having to defend yourself reasonably.  Either way, this is only Day 1 which is the best time to

Vote MARCUSDJACKSON

I don't like how you subtly make excuses for a weak vote before you make it. You say that he's worthless as town, which seems to be your primary reason for voting him, and I don't really see you making plenty of policy votes in other games. You also talk about Day 1 being the best time to make your vote, which carries with it the implications that this would be a poor vote on any other day. Do you think he is scum, or do you think he is town?

I think he's more likely scum than town, so it's less of a policy vote than you may think.  I am not super confident he's scum, so I would feel less comfortable with voting him off on a later Day with only that amount of confidence, but on Day 1 there is less evidence to go on.  People seem to be against No Lynches, and I do sympathize with some of the justifications for that position, and so I (and others, I think) are willing to lynch people on Day 1 with a lower threshold of suspicion. 

Additionally, Day 1 lynches have the worst record of accuracy, so it's the best Day to lynch someone partially or wholly on the basis of being "worthless", as long as you don't have a strong suspicion of a different person as mafia (who you can persuade others to lynch).  (Because if you have a 25% chance to lynch scum, or a 100% chance to get rid of dead weight, it's worth considering, isn't it? considering how bothersome it can be to have them around as town later.)  Later on one is more likely to have stronger suspicions, as well as perhaps (for a non-marcus example) feeling that the worthless lurker is probably town. 

Now I admit, marcus is a different case from a shameless lurker; he's been crazy, but that may change, and he's at least participating, so later on we would have a better guess about his alignment than an absentee, although if he was throwing random votes around that could hurt town.  On the other hand, I feel it's decently likely he's scum after all.  One could argue that I could wait till a later day to let my read on him mature, but you could say that about anyone.  I wouldn't mind No Lynching, I guess, if that's what you want? 

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even if you decide to policy lynch someon- I actually prefer lunching rather then not for instance - but you are at the point where you at voting some one because they don't make sense and are "worthless" then you even then have it wrong. 

Thr only "worthless" people are the shameless lurkers like Tabaha last game. People who barely count a playing without a legitimate reason are better lunches because they will never come out with content- so they can't create the occasional gem. And because they aren't posting you can't get a read on them other then the lurking- so you can't get reads on scum or town. 

The fact you even mentioned it shows that you understand this on some level- so why didn't you follow this? 



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On the topic of shameless lurking-
Unvote
So there is no confusion I will be without Internet access except for the odd service station for the next 3 days. I shall be 260miles from home as soon as I finish school tomorrow and when I return two days latern I will sleep and immediately go to work the next day. I will hopefully be able to check and make a brief post at a service station at some point.
To avoid my vote being contributional to a lynch whilst I am away I have unvoted Yoshiya.



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