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Final-Fan said:

So you main argument is that I'm still alive? Have you considered that the reason I'm still around could be because I was considered lynchable after prof voiced suspicions about my thought process on Linkz?

Yeah, his proclamation that you are automatically the presumptive town leader among the still-living is one of the things I have against the bullshit DT's been spouting toDay. 


If you read last line- the part I posted was my own contribution. The rest of the reasons are where other people have already posted them (I'm looking at Prof) 

 

and at FF- 

alrifht then Mr "doing a Zero" FF - out of the remaing alive players who would you say carries more weight then Trucks as town? 



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DarkThanatos said:
Final-Fan said:

So you main argument is that I'm still alive? Have you considered that the reason I'm still around could be because I was considered lynchable after prof voiced suspicions about my thought process on Linkz?

Yeah, his proclamation that you are automatically the presumptive town leader among the still-living is one of the things I have against the bullshit DT's been spouting toDay. 


If you read last line- the part I posted was my own contribution. The rest of the reasons are where other people have already posted them (I'm looking at Prof) 

 

and at FF- 

alrifht then Mr "doing a Zero" FF - out of the remaing alive players who would you say carries more weight then Trucks as town? 

prof's whole "dream" accusation was that I was scum somehow because I thought Linkz to be a Watcher on Day One while he tought it would make more sense if I thought Linkz was a Lie Detector. That's hardly damning evidence.



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Scum lists:

Radish: Mario, MDJ
Yoshiya: DT, MDJ, FF
Trucks: MDJ, Mario, DT
Thanatos: Trucks, FF
Mario: DT, Trucks, FF
Marcus: Radish, DT, Yoshiya
FF: DT, Yoshiya, Radish

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Totals mentions:

DT: 5
FF: 3
Marcus: 3
Yoshiya: 2
Mario: 2
Radish: 2
Trucks: 2




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DarkThanatos said:
If it wasn't for the fact that Yoshiya constantly has blinkers on and thinks I'm scum every single game- he would have just confirmed two scum. The milking time it took to catch up thing just makes me want to flip a table- especially considering you know me IRL and know the workload (and other assorted crap) I'm doing atm. You try reading 15 pages of dry game in two days when you were only active with the game for the first 7. Radish decided to draw a line and not bother reading it- and he had far less to read. This pointless slur comment either shows you are scum- or simply an ass sometimes. Not to mention- every other post? Well if you, you know, read. You'll see that one was putting myself in a bad light in my point against FF (not fitting with your milking it excuse) the other was directly responding to the people complaining about my sudden activity (woah oh no. A town player being active again- it's an outrage. Must be scum) answer me this - why would I as scum suddenly start posting again when it had worked pretty damn well so far. Assuming I'm scum- lurking has produced little/no attention to me, and scum have not failed in a nightkill or been lynched. Seemingly all power roles are likely dead, and there are no obvious leads for town. You know what a brilliant idea would be? Lets rock the boat and start posting! Yay! And when did I say as a general point that "because my feelings were good last game they must be good this time"? I used it with MDJ yes- but hold on a moment- if we go back to the whole reAding thing- it was because he had regularly said he didn't like the lack of suspects I had given out because last game I was town, I put out suspects and they were scum. He had already put FF down as probably scum, and I was agreeing with him and reinforcing it. my actual post was "I HAD A SCUM FEEL FROM THE START. IT HAS STAYED. LAST GAME THIS HAPPENED THEY WERE SCUM. IM GOING TO TRUST MY INSTINCTS." i even specifically said it wasnt the greatest reason. Use your freaking eyes. It was not a general post for the town community to persuade them of FF's scumness. It was a post of my own thoughts and aimed at MDJ ( You know - the guy I was quoting. Aka. The guy I was directly responding too) Tell me where FF's "good points" are. I beg you, surely it isn't a hard job. While you are doing it- perhaps you might take a moment to recognis that FF doesn't even mention me until I name him as scum, then he is "SURE of it" - hmm.. What insight can we gain from this? I believe you called it "doing a zero"? And was scummy? Now whilst you are doing this, also look at when people called me scum. And when I called them scum. You will see a distinct correlation between me being the first to comment and call them scum in that post, then a gap, then others calling me scum. My raising suspicion on people whosuspect me bit- incredibly wrong. Finally the last part of your stupidly blinkered post designed to persuade that last day win or win the "bullshit" award at the end of the game- My certainty of town losing? Was from the perspective of reading scums moves. Scum have played very well, there are lurkers and sheep a plenty and no real leads- why wouldn't they be confident of winning? Just in case you miss this again- It was written from the point of view of scum explaining their actions- one more time just to bridge the gap-- I said "we can still win this- I've seen town come back from worse" (this implies confidence in this not being the last day) Sarcastic because it was necessary to highlight the sheer idiocy of your post- Unpleasant but fair Thanatos out.


If you knew you were going to be spending a large part of last week away with no access to the internet, then why the hell did you sign up to this game in the first place? Same with using this "other crap" you've got as an excuse. I know you've had that for a good period of time and it's your own fault your suddenly rushing round trying to do it now so why join up to a mafia game if you are then going to use it as an excuse for inactivity?

As to the sudden posting thing, because it wasn't working too well... The only reason you hadn't been looked at was because we had the trio of Hat, Linkz and Prof to look at for the last two Days and as such, lynching someone for inactivity was out of the question as we had big scumspects on our hands. On the otherhand, toDay we don't really have many leads and as such we'll be looking around for people that say, have been lurking.

As to the thing about being right last game, you may remember that mafia is a game about convincing others that the people you are finding suspicious are in fact and scum and as a result get them to also vote for them. Considering all you did to try and convince MDJ (and anyone paying attention in mafia because again, every comment you write is going to be read by anyone in case something important shows up in it) was say you were right last game and then "trust me on this-I had my reasons for suspecting him".

What this means is you are basically saying to everyone (despite the comment being mostly aimed at MDJ), that we should trust you for thinking that FF is scum because you have your reasons for suspecting him and you were right with your reasons last game so ergo, you must have a pretty good idea this game.

And don't throw that " i even specifically said it wasnt the greatest reason. Use your freaking eyes. It was not a general post for the town community to persuade them of FF's scumness." BS at me. This is potentially the last Day of the game and now you are coming in trying to say FF is scummy because you "have a feeling". If you genuinely feel FF is scummy don't you think there is enough for you to point us at at least one reason for it? All this does it make it easy for you to accuse someone of being scummy without actually having to find evidence to show why, something which is rather dangerous for town on the last Day if these sheep exist as you always seem to say they do (and have done this game as well).

A good point from FF? All I need to direct you to is my recent conversation with him about my mason claim and his questioning of it rather than completely ignoring it like you seem to have done. (This also applies to TOS, I like how he picked me up on it the moment I said I trusted Radish rather than brush over it like others have done).

And excuse me for assuming that a town who is sure enough of his main scumspect that he doesn't think he needs evidence to convince anyone, thought town weren't in a position to lynch scum this Day, I'll remember that for the future.



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For all the townies out there I raise this point. You can confirm yourself as town for yourself.

That leaves 6 people left who contain three scum.

As it stands whoever we go for in the end is likely to be a best guess kinda thing.
If we decide on either radish or Yoshiya then either a) we lose or b) we find two scum.
If we choose anyone else we won't definately find two scum, but we still have a 50% chance of losing.
FF was voted for a good 2-3 hours without being jumped on as scum. If he was town, there would have been a good chance he would have been lunched and the game ended. That's at least some indicator that he may be scum.
As it stands it seems that pretty much this round has been me throwing my opinion out, and people subsequently complaining that I shouldn't be active now. This folly of Yoshiya and the lack of content directed elsewhere makes me very tempted just to vote FF or Yoshiya or Trucks. If we lose, well so be it, if he isn't jumped on straight away then he is scum confirmed as there would be no reason for scum not to vote him. And if he is lynched and turns out town than we can analyse who voted who.

This is clearly a risky strategy, but with the current ethos it may be the best course of action unless people can start looking.



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When I signed up, I was under the impression I would have wifi in the B+Bs. When I arrived, that was not the case. But tell me this, how does everything you said make any difference to the cold fact of- I could not play, now I can?
Answer- it doesn't. Just because my other stuff I've had for a while Doesnt mean that It is any less pressing now.

Again, you are missing the point. I'm not convincing MDJ. He was already convinced. There is literally no difference between me posting that and me saying "I Think x is scum" except I elaborated.

You also completely skip over the part about FF "doing a zero" which you mentioned previously wa scummy.

FF is scummy because the way he interacts to events that happen. The manner of his posting and his post content. He doesn't mention me at all, yet becomes his number one sure suspect after I raise suspicion on him. Other people soon agree which for me shows scum teammates helping out, as the only thing against me at the time was because I was now active. He is votes, but not pounced upon. All these things build up an image. You don't need to be able to point to a specific post, where they have said some Blatent slip to see them as scum. You are a terrible player if you do.



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DarkThanatos said:
When I signed up, I was under the impression I would have wifi in the B+Bs. When I arrived, that was not the case. But tell me this, how does everything you said make any difference to the cold fact of- I could not play, now I can?
Answer- it doesn't. Just because my other stuff I've had for a while Doesnt mean that It is any less pressing now.

Again, you are missing the point. I'm not convincing MDJ. He was already convinced. There is literally no difference between me posting that and me saying "I Think x is scum" except I elaborated.

You also completely skip over the part about FF "doing a zero" which you mentioned previously wa scummy.

FF is scummy because the way he interacts to events that happen. The manner of his posting and his post content. He doesn't mention me at all, yet becomes his number one sure suspect after I raise suspicion on him. Other people soon agree which for me shows scum teammates helping out, as the only thing against me at the time was because I was now active. He is votes, but not pounced upon. All these things build up an image. You don't need to be able to point to a specific post, where they have said some Blatent slip to see them as scum. You are a terrible player if you do.

@bold At which point have I ever said that you suddenly becoming active makes you scum? My argument is about the fact that you spent so long inactive, even after these legitimate excuses. Sure suddenly becoming active now doesn't work massively in your favour but it doesn't make you scum. Please don't lump me in with the other people that are accusing you of different things but it just makes it look like you still aren't paying attention to the game -.-

@italics In which case you seem to be missing the whole point of mafia, ie. that all your posts are analysed and you are supposed to try and convince other people that the people you think are scum are scum. Considering until this post(the one I have quoted) you had barely even mentioned your reasons for your suspicion of FF beyond "I have a feeling" at the time I made my post and yet were clearly attempting to get him lynched, my comment was more than fair enough.

@underlined I didn't notice you had made a comment about that because of the fact it was one huge block of text which I was picking parts from (I know that's not your fault, it just didn't help with analysing sections of it one at a time ><). Yea, that is suspicious but that and you saying "I think he is scum" isn't good enough reason to think he is actually scum is it? (Note how I've never said he's town).

@Last section Finally some actual reasons, took you long enough didn't it? You've raised some good comments but personally I think the way that he questioned my mason claim properly rather than just let it slide (something I note you still haven't addressed besides saying me and Radish are likely scummates now) makes the way that he reactes to situations not strictly true. The last thing may just be a case of either a) mafia not having Daytalk (only reason my scumteam managed to organise it last game was because of Day talk) or b) Mafia wasn't online at the time (again, look to last game where my scumteam missed the first opportunity to do that because we weren't only at the time) or lastly, c) MDJ is scum meaning that mafia only had two remaining votes to place, not enough to lynch FF whilst effectively giving away who is mafia.

Note throughout all this I am not saying FF is town, I am just showing how your arguments aren't as convincing as you think they are despite your insistance that anyone that doesn't think the same way as you is a "terrible player".

(PS. About "doing a Zero" being suspicious. If you want to try and bring me to your side because of that, then don't suddenly say you're willing to lynch me because I go after you, it makes the point entirely redundant).



I'm not really sympathetic to the whole Final-Fan pull a zero argument because well FF is not zero. His reaction to DarkThanatos popping in at the start of the Day with barely explained suspicions is understandable. I'm not saying it's not okay to try and participate after being mostly absent but you can't return in the game with an half-assed attempt and expect people to trust you instantly.



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