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supermario128 said:
theprof00 said:

Today we had 4 people defending me trucks, yoshiya, mario, ff. These are all people that placed votes on hatmoza. These are all people that were suspected by nacho and hatmoza, before votes on hat even occurred. These are all people who relied on linkz' counterclaim testimony and displayed immediately reluctance to lynch (because mafia do not like to appear on lynches lest they be linked to a mislynch). These are all people who have encouraged lynching linkz today. These are all people who are in the middle area of contributing. Not post-leaders, not lurkers (except maybe ff). These are all people who haven't questioned other suspects. These are all people who are going to turn on me. These are all people who encouraged me yesterday, used my lynch, and protected me today while condemning linkz and then saying that I'm next.

I can't speak for the others, but how have I defended you Prof? I have called you town before, but not much besides that. Yes, I placed my vote on Hatmoza as did almost everyone else. Before votes on Hat occurred Hatz said I was town. When Linkz counter claimed I voted for Hatz right away, get your facts strait. I have not encouraged his lynch, but he is going to be my vote. I gave Hatz my word, unlike some of us because he knew Linkz could talk his way out of this. No, I am not a post leader, but I have asked questions. If you end up mafia, of course I will turn towards you. No one has to encourage you for you to do something. If it wasn't for Linkz soft counter Hatz lynch wasn't going to happen. He lead the lynch, not you, no matter what you believe.

I seriously doubt that Trucks if mafia. You have said it yourself countless times throughout the game. Apparently a dream can change that for you, but I didn't experience your same dream.

And none of you think the other is mafia.



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You know mario, I really don't care if you lynch linkz, because if he flips town you will have validated everything I'm saying today, whether or not I'm alive.



theprof00 said:

And none of you think the other is mafia.

Actually, if you look back I did say that FF could be lurking mafia, but it is hard to tell with him. The other two, no, I don't think they are mafia.




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supermario128 said:
theprof00 said:

And none of you think the other is mafia.

Actually, if you look back I did say that FF could be lurking mafia, but it is hard to tell with him. The other two, no, I don't think they are mafia.

And yet you don't go after FF. Sounds like MDJ's way of going about the game.

FF wants Linkz lynched as well.

You guys like all agree with each other, and don't really ask anyone else anything.

Yesterday FF displayed some hesitance about lynching Linkz, asking him how serious he was. Trucks quoted "he's very serious [post reference]."

Trucks answered for linkz, pretty much giving the thumbs up to FF.

I agree with you that FF could likely be scum. Notice that there are 4 people in the list above. Only really 3 of them could be mafia right? So if you're town, try not to get so flustered.



theprof00 said:
You know mario, I really don't care if you lynch linkz, because if he flips town you will have validated everything I'm saying today, whether or not I'm alive.

The reverse can also be said. If he flips scum you will have some explaining to do, Prof.

Also, it isn't "me" who will be lynching Linkz, it will be all of us. It takes a majority to lynch someone, not just one person.




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theprof00 said:

And yet you don't go after FF. Sounds like MDJ's way of going about the game.

FF wants Linkz lynched as well.

You guys like all agree with each other, and don't really ask anyone else anything.

Yesterday FF displayed some hesitance about lynching Linkz, asking him how serious he was. Trucks quoted "he's very serious [post reference]."

Trucks answered for linkz, pretty much giving the thumbs up to FF.

I agree with you that FF could likely be scum. Notice that there are 4 people in the list above. Only really 3 of them could be mafia right? So if you're town, try not to get so flustered.

There isn't much to go after him on. He isn't doing/ saying anything that stands out as scum. It is just a feeling I have on him. I could say I had a dream that he was scum and then vote for him. Do you think that would work? :P

If they agree with me, then I can't really do anything to change that, but that doesn't mean we are all scum. It really isn't that simple.

Yes, 3 mafia is most likely. I'm not getting flustered, I'm just saying all your points are NOT correct about me.




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supermario128 said:
theprof00 said:
You know mario, I really don't care if you lynch linkz, because if he flips town you will have validated everything I'm saying today, whether or not I'm alive.

The reverse can also be said. If he flips scum you will have some explaining to do, Prof.

Also, it isn't "me" who will be lynching Linkz, it will be all of us. It takes a majority to lynch someone, not just one person.

Yes, I will have some explaining to do. But I don't expect to live that long either.

Plus, I'm just one person who has named 4 people. If linkz flips scum, then I'm in trouble. I don't care. If he flips town, it makes 4 people look bad. I'll take that tradeoff.



supermario128 said:
theprof00 said:

And yet you don't go after FF. Sounds like MDJ's way of going about the game.

FF wants Linkz lynched as well.

You guys like all agree with each other, and don't really ask anyone else anything.

Yesterday FF displayed some hesitance about lynching Linkz, asking him how serious he was. Trucks quoted "he's very serious [post reference]."

Trucks answered for linkz, pretty much giving the thumbs up to FF.

I agree with you that FF could likely be scum. Notice that there are 4 people in the list above. Only really 3 of them could be mafia right? So if you're town, try not to get so flustered.

There isn't much to go after him on. He isn't doing/ saying anything that stands out as scum. It is just a feeling I have on him. I could say I had a dream that he was scum and then vote for him. Do you think that would work? :P

If they agree with me, then I can't really do anything to change that, but that doesn't mean we are all scum. It really isn't that simple.

Yes, 3 mafia is most likely. I'm not getting flustered, I'm just saying all your points are NOT correct about me.

That is typical scum play to not stand out...don't say anything to get too much attention. Just lightly comment and put your votes down. Don't start fights. None of these 4 has displayed scumhunting, and you are probably the only one of them who has taken some risks. You SHOULD be asking yourself if you're being played, because the people agreeing with shady as fuck.

It actually is pretty simple. You four share a lot of similarities. None of you are looking at the others or questioning them. I can do quote rundowns if you'd like. None of you have interrogated any of the other 3 outside of once or twice. Who is getting your attention? Linkz, myself, hat, zero, mdj.. but who's putting down votes? you, trucks, yoshi, ff.

All are voting, yet myself and linkz are the ones on the seat. That's typical scapegoating. "It wasn't MY fault, it was linkz and prof." I'm not saying we had nothing to do with Hat being lynched, but if you were mafia, and you saw a mislynch about to happen with another townie leading the charge, you would do the same, right? I'm not trying to get out of responsibility, but I want you to see who is taking advantage of the opportunity.



zero129 said:
Final-Fan said:
So, what do you think tunneling is, zero? Define it for me, because in the immortal words of Inigo Montoya, "I do not think it means what you think it means".

What i will define for you is what i originaly said. Its funny you bring this up to me now but not to no one else from yesterday including me dispite the fact that i was on MDJ alot more yesterday then i was with prof today.

OMG i cant believe still that 3 people has come to aid prof with comments at the thought of him being put in the firing line and yet no one has come to help the one who is likely to get lynched linkz...

Is everyone in this thread sleeping our am i the only one seeing a problem with this?

I would define tunneling as one of the following: 
(1)  Only going after one person you suspect of being scum, to the exclusion of other suspects.  If you consider anyone else it's only slightly, as your attention is 90%+ on the one person; or you only consider others scum in relation to the one person -- "X is scum so this guy might be his scumbuddy". 
(2)  Going after a person to a ridiculous level:  at the most extreme, everything they say and do reinforces your belief they are scum.  If they were to say "X", it would be scummy because blah blah blah.  If they were to say "not X", it would be scummy because blah blah blah.  There is no real doubt in your mind about this person and the only way you could possibly have your certainty shaken is by the spell being broken.  If a cop claimed an innocent scan you would immediately either suspect he was scum or his result was messed up because the target absolutely had to be scum.  (Although a cop scan is one of the things that can break the spell and therefore end this type of tunneling.) 

I was having a definite vibe of type (2) tunneling from you directed at prof at the time I posted "tunnel more". 



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theprof00 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
i'm just following through with what was agreed on. you don't have to agree with it, just like your dreams got our cop lynched.

By definition of the game, if linkz is scum, he still has scum-teammates that can be hunted. We do not need to lynch linkz when better options may be available.

Today we had 4 people defending me trucks, yoshiya, mario, ff. These are all people that placed votes on hatmoza. These are all people that were suspected by nacho and hatmoza, before votes on hat even occurred. These are all people who relied on linkz' counterclaim testimony and displayed immediately reluctance to lynch (because mafia do not like to appear on lynches lest they be linked to a mislynch). These are all people who have encouraged lynching linkz today. These are all people who are in the middle area of contributing. Not post-leaders, not lurkers (except maybe ff). These are all people who haven't questioned other suspects. These are all people who are going to turn on me. These are all people who encouraged me yesterday, used my lynch, and protected me today while condemning linkz and then saying that I'm next.

Look around you and stop tunneling.

I don't recall defending you the day we lynched hatmoza.  Not saying I didn't but if you have evidence handly please do refute. 

I didn't display immediate reluctance to lynch, I only backed off at the last second when Linkz started making me doubt him, and hatmoza's posts started sounding more compelling.  Although in your shoes I'd probably be even more suspicious of people backing off shortly before the lynch went through. 

The claim I'm going to turn on you is pure fiction on your part, and although I make no promises I don't have any plans to go after you tomorrow based on Linkz's flip.  I certainly don't recall saying "you're next" toDay. 



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