Mazty said:
A HD 5450 can use DX11. But it's not powerful enough to ever use the benefical features of DX11 e.g. tesselation. Saying "It's DX11 therefore it's instantly better" is a complete lie. The GTX280 is far better than any low-end DX11 card. Also you fail to address that the Wii U has yet to demonstrate any of this power. At the moment, it's nothing but theoretical.
Power per watt doesn't mean anything as that has been improving massively with each downscale of the existing consoles. So far it uses less power than existing consoles but has yet to perform better. In fact, with ports, it performs considerably worse.
"Sales will be compared" By whom? This site? Or Wall Street? This is what really pisses me off. A bunch of gamers ranting about their console suddenly think they are Havard graduates in business. This site, and other gaming sites, are not legitimate sources of buisness analysis.
"Another interesting point, is a massive power jump the only technological advance that exists? (the answer is no in case you actually were wondering)"
Is it no? Have you thought about the contradictions that arise if you start to use controllers and media? Controllers - eyetoy make the ps2 7th gen? Media - PS3 therefore is 8th gen yah?
Stop talking about PC tech. You clearly have no idea what you're on about. The difference in DDR3 performance for the speeds is very low. We're talking ~5 frames at the most: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/memory-bandwidth-scaling-trinity,3419-4.html
Generations matter, yes, but what the hell is your point? A GTX 620 won't beat a GTX 560Ti just because it's part of the Keplar gen. The cut down card is part of the same generation because it's based on the same chipset *smh* If you're trying to say therefore the wii is part of the 7th gen that's bull because that's like saying a GTX240 is part of the 600 gen. The chipsets used are vastly different and in the GPU industry, like for like are compared. You're forgetting that a console is also more than just a GPU. It's the sum of it's parts. Considering the staggering performance differences of the Wii and 360, the Wii would be considered last gen, more to the point that it uses old chips xD So either the Wii U is next gen and the Wii is 6th gen, or Wii is 7th gen an Wii U 7th gen as well. The choice is up to you.
If you look down on science (FYI I didn't specify which) you really have no idea what you're on about. You wouldn't have a PC without it *facepalm* A degree in IT Computer Science a)Does not teach you analytical thinking. It teaches you how to code and b) I work in IT on multi-million dollar contracts so keep you bragging to yourself bud ;) I know enough about buisness to know that experience counts for fuck all, same goes for management.
Fuck it - just read the one with the article links in. Clearly you won't have it that you're wrong, so let's see what you've to say about the EA CEO and Digital Foundry.
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The EA CEO is butthurt against Nintendo for something, and DF has been drooling at the thought of saying this nonsense, so I take what they say with a huge grain of salt. Also, the opinion of two biased sources =/= the entire industry OR how gaming history will (clearly) look at it.
You're still not getting the overall point that the MAIN, PRIMARY, MOST IMPORTANT, NECESSARY, CRITICAL factor in determining a gen of consoles is release timeframe & the batch of consoles against which it competes for its lifetime. You keep saying nonsensical stuff like 'Controllers - eyetoy make the ps2 7th gen?' and that's not what my argument says. It says that first, gen is determined by release date and the fact that it competes against a new batch of consoles (for sales) during its lifetime. If you look at history, that is how video game generations are defined.
We had the same nonsensical discussion about the last gen, Wii was not 'next-gen', yet if you ask any analyst who won the last gen from a sales perspective, the Wii did. You're wrong. Period.
I'm not talking about framerate in games based on DDR3, I'm talking about speed difference pertaining to how it's measured for the particular product, (which is MHz and Bandwidth in this case). This is to demonstrate that products in the same generation can have different performance levels. I certainly have 'a clue' what I'm talking about, lol.
Generations are obviously related to a chipset on the vid cards, I'm making the point that perfomance is not the only, nor the main determining factor in a generation of other tech products either.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_console#Seventh_generation
Reality check - If you look at all the generations listed above, you'll notice they are grouped by release time period and by the group of consoles they compete against during a specific timeframe. there are wide power gaps between many of the systems within each gen. This is the simple reality, Wii was 7th gen, WiiU is the next step, therefore is 8th gen. If you define gens only as Massivvve leapz in powerz over everythingzzz!!!1! then well, you're outside the historical reality of the industry and can proceed to invent your own history and definition.
