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Scisca on 05 February 2013
S.Peelman said:
Scisca said:

I have a different point of view. This is what I think about Wii and Wii U and which generations they really belong to.

Think about yourself in 30-40 years, when you're explaining to your grandson what a game console was ;) Now you give him all the consoles starting from the NES (let's just skip the older ones), Sega Master, SNES, Mega Drive, PSX, Saturn, N64, Dreamcast and so on up until Wii U, PS4 and X-box 8. You let the kid play every console for an hour and ask him to segregate the consoles into 6 generations. Where would the little kid put the Wii and the Wii U? Just basing on what he experienced, without any additional knowledge.

I think he would put the Wii right next to the PS2, GCN, Dreamcast and X-box. Wii U is still in the air, but so far my bet is he would put it together with PS3 and X-box 360.

This is the way I see this issue.

Okay, that is fine. But then you're not talking about 'generations' as by the meaning of the word anymore. More like... 'families', or 'groups' or whatever word you'd find best.

One can group things in an indefinite amount of ways. For example I could group them all by advancements in controllers. Which would put NES, Genesis and Master System, 5600, 7200 and Jaguar in 'group 1' (only digital four-way input) and thus the least advanced systems; the Atari 2600 in 'group 2' (digital joysticks); the many Pong consoles, the N64, Saturn, Dreamcast and the Odyssey2 in 'group 3' (more accurate analogue joysticks); all the PlayStations, the GC, WiiU and the two XBoxes in 'group 4' (dual analogues), the Wii in group 5 (motion control) and the Virtual Boy as the most advanced one with (yes) 'virtual reality' in 'group 6' ().

No matter how you look at it though, it doesn't however change the fact that in reality, the WiiU is still the successor to the Wii by 'time', which makes it a generation (as defined by the meaning of the word) up from the Wii and the GC, N64 etc. before it. Even if the WiiU were to only have the power of the SNES, it would still be the successor to Wii and thus 'next-gen'. A crappy one by today's standard of-course .

Ok, Wii U is the next generation OF NINTENDO CONSOLES. But when we're talking about the general console generations, which include the compatition, I think that a totally unbiased person with no knowledge (like the kid I told about) would consider GCN and Wii the same generation. Wii would be pretty much a reboot instead of a new generation.



Wii U is a GCN 2 - I called it months before the release!

My Vita to-buy list: The Walking Dead, Persona 4 Golden, Need for Speed: Most Wanted, TearAway, Ys: Memories of Celceta, Muramasa: The Demon Blade, History: Legends of War, FIFA 13, Final Fantasy HD X, X-2, Worms Revolution Extreme, The Amazing Spiderman, Batman: Arkham Origins Blackgate - too many no-gaemz :/

My consoles: PS2 Slim, PS3 Slim 320 GB, PSV 32 GB, Wii, DSi.

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Aielyn on 05 February 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Aielyn said:
dsgrue3 said:
I'm mad guys, be nice.

Hey look, I can do it too.

Doesn't have any adverse effect on me since I'm not mad.

dsgrue3 said:

Aielyn said:

I'm mad guys, be nice.

Next-Gen in terms of graphics bro. I think that implication is clear...to any rational person.

 

^^^^^ still true. Still ignoring it. I mean even the title has the word graphics in it, yet you fail to realize this is about next-gen graphics? LOL

 

You're not mad, but you're talking to yourself? OK.

My reason for doing it to your post is that I have no idea which post you're responding to. How the hell am I meant to glean your comment's context from your edited version of my post? Since you didn't provide any context, I'm forced to assume that you're just doing it because you can, or because you're trying to "win" the argument through obfuscation.



Chandler on 05 February 2013
pezus said:
Chandler said:
pezus said:
Chandler said:


Right now, the Wii U is leading.

 

We all saw how well that worked for 360 vs. Wii


So, who's the new Wii?

Not the WiiU at least. It remains to be seen.


Yes it does. Still doesn't change the fact that right now, Wii U is leading.



Ongoing bet with think-man: He wins if MH4 releases in any shape or form on PSV in 2013, I win if it doesn't.

dsgrue3 on 05 February 2013
Aielyn said:

You're not mad, but you're talking to yourself? OK.

My reason for doing it to your post is that I have no idea which post you're responding to. How the hell am I meant to glean your comment's context from your edited version of my post? Since you didn't provide any context, I'm forced to assume that you're just doing it because you can, or because you're trying to "win" the argument through obfuscation.

I quoted a random one of your posts, because the content of the specific post wasn't relevant. You've said that "next-gen" refers to a time period, but this is about "next-gen graphics power" as is stated in the title of the thread. And in this regard, Wii U isn't "next-gen". 

 



DieAppleDie on 05 February 2013

Wii is 7th gen theres no debate



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Aielyn on 05 February 2013
dsgrue3 said:
I quoted a random one of your posts, because the content of the specific post wasn't relevant. You've said that "next-gen" refers to a time period, but this is about "next-gen graphics power" as is stated in the title of the thread. And in this regard, Wii U isn't "next-gen". 

Again, without context, I can't respond. Did you quote somewhere where we were discussing the specific use of the term "next-gen" in the article? Or were we talking about the use on the forums? In each context, my response differs. Since you still aren't providing context, I'm going to assume that you ignored the context of what I'd said.



curl-6 on 05 February 2013
Scisca said:
S.Peelman said:
Scisca said:

I have a different point of view. This is what I think about Wii and Wii U and which generations they really belong to.

Think about yourself in 30-40 years, when you're explaining to your grandson what a game console was ;) Now you give him all the consoles starting from the NES (let's just skip the older ones), Sega Master, SNES, Mega Drive, PSX, Saturn, N64, Dreamcast and so on up until Wii U, PS4 and X-box 8. You let the kid play every console for an hour and ask him to segregate the consoles into 6 generations. Where would the little kid put the Wii and the Wii U? Just basing on what he experienced, without any additional knowledge.

I think he would put the Wii right next to the PS2, GCN, Dreamcast and X-box. Wii U is still in the air, but so far my bet is he would put it together with PS3 and X-box 360.

This is the way I see this issue.

Okay, that is fine. But then you're not talking about 'generations' as by the meaning of the word anymore. More like... 'families', or 'groups' or whatever word you'd find best.

One can group things in an indefinite amount of ways. For example I could group them all by advancements in controllers. Which would put NES, Genesis and Master System, 5600, 7200 and Jaguar in 'group 1' (only digital four-way input) and thus the least advanced systems; the Atari 2600 in 'group 2' (digital joysticks); the many Pong consoles, the N64, Saturn, Dreamcast and the Odyssey2 in 'group 3' (more accurate analogue joysticks); all the PlayStations, the GC, WiiU and the two XBoxes in 'group 4' (dual analogues), the Wii in group 5 (motion control) and the Virtual Boy as the most advanced one with (yes) 'virtual reality' in 'group 6' ().

No matter how you look at it though, it doesn't however change the fact that in reality, the WiiU is still the successor to the Wii by 'time', which makes it a generation (as defined by the meaning of the word) up from the Wii and the GC, N64 etc. before it. Even if the WiiU were to only have the power of the SNES, it would still be the successor to Wii and thus 'next-gen'. A crappy one by today's standard of-course .

Ok, Wii U is the next generation OF NINTENDO CONSOLES. But when we're talking about the general console generations, which include the compatition, I think that a totally unbiased person with no knowledge (like the kid I told about) would consider GCN and Wii the same generation. Wii would be pretty much a reboot instead of a new generation.

A generation means the next iteration of hardware, regardless of graphical power. What a theoretical child would think doesn't change the established definition.



Branko2166 on 05 February 2013
Aielyn said:
Branko2166 said:
@Aielyn

 Ok so putting a smiley at the end of a flame post makes it all ok my bad.

Ugh... seriously? You didn't get that it was a joke? You don't understand the ":P" smiley as a person poking their tongue out, or that it means that the comment was meant to be humorous?

You know what - you win. I was actually saying that people who judge next-gen based on raw power have the minds of young children. I also think that the Wii U is so powerful that it'll dwarf the other systems, that the moon is made of green cheese, and that the moon landing conspiracy theory was a hoax created by Iran to discredit the US.

I know what a smiley face is but it can only do so much. If you insult someone then smile do you think it makes it ok just because you're joking?

This is not about you or me winning. Just having different opinions about something and discussing that.

Not sure why you only quoted the first line of my post as I pointed out why I think there are flaws in your argument.

Anyway it is apparent that you are not interested in having a discussion and only want people to agree with your narrow definition. So we will leave it at that.

You may think otherwise but as a fellow gamer I only wish the best for all gamers including those that only have Nintendo consoles. I wish you guys had a console which was a huge leap and was in the same class from a technical standpoint compared to 720/PS4. Sadly that doesn't appear to be the case and it is specifically for that reason that it likely will not receive much 3rd party support.

Peace out



 

 

WagnerPaiva on 05 February 2013
Aielyn said:
Not only do we already know about this, we clearly know more about the situation than Eurogamer - the 320 stream processors is speculation at this time, the correct number is not yet known. Furthermore, there is a significant portion of the die that has yet to be identified.

More than that, 1080p is not "around 2.5x that of 720p". It's 2.25x. Not approximately, but exactly. And FLOPS do not represent actual power. Oh, and in the picture, they claim that the red sections represent the 320 stream processors... but they've only marked HALF of them.

So with this article, we can rule out Eurogamer as a suitable source of news when it comes to this sort of thing.


You know, 2,5 IS around 2.25. Being "around" a certain number mean that it is close to it...



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

dsgrue3 on 05 February 2013
Aielyn said:
dsgrue3 said:
I quoted a random one of your posts, because the content of the specific post wasn't relevant. You've said that "next-gen" refers to a time period, but this is about "next-gen graphics power" as is stated in the title of the thread. And in this regard, Wii U isn't "next-gen". 

Again, without context, I can't respond. Did you quote somewhere where we were discussing the specific use of the term "next-gen" in the article? Or were we talking about the use on the forums? In each context, my response differs. Since you still aren't providing context, I'm going to assume that you ignored the context of what I'd said.

Since you fail to admit you said it:

Aielyn said:
Hynad said:

You all know that when people say the Wii U isn't "next gen" they don't mean it in the "successor"  sense.

They mean that it doesn't have power that distinctively puts it over the Ps3 and 360. Just like the Wii had power more comparable to the consoles from the 6th gen consoles.

So please, enough with the semantics already.

I'd rather people be semantically accurate than misuse words to try to enforce their personal bias.

Just like people took until 2011 to stop referring to PS3 and 360 as "next-gen". It was ludicrous for them to be using that term in 2007, and it was bordering on insanity to continue using it in 2010.

The Wii U is next-gen. It is more powerful than the 360 and PS3, it has more input options, and the GPU has features that no Gen 7 GPU has. Whether it's close to the other new consoles in power is completely irrelevant, for the same reason as why it's completely irrelevant that the Vita is significantly more powerful than the 3DS.

And no rational person disputes these facts, or the fact that the Wii U is next-gen. Just as no rational person should have disputed that the Wii was next-gen.

So please, enough with the stupidity already.

@Italics: You admit to being purposely obtuse to the thread being about "next gen" graphics, then proceed to deflect by rebutting by semantics. 

@bold: Your opinion isn't rational - Wii U continues to show it is equal to or marginally better than PS360 in terms of graphics. Time to face the facts here, they make it abundantly clear.