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BlueFalcon on 07 February 2013
zero129 said:
You looking at a PC gamer bud, just look at my games list. But your also looking at a multi console owner too.

And to what i bolded makes the rest of your post not even worth responding to imo, clearly your biased....

Left 4 Dead, LA Noire, all Need for Speed games, Sniper Elite V2, Skyrim, Just Cause 2, Far Cry 2, Alan Wake, Ghost Recon, Call of Duty, Burnout Revenge, GTA IV, etc. Why would I buy any of those games on the Xbox 360 over my PC? Skyrim on a console? A complete waste of time for a PC gamer. Not only that but every single one of those games you bought for 360 cost me way less on the PC because of Steam/GOG/Origin. So again, I'd get inferior graphics, controls, no mods, and pay more $$ for those games. Makes no sense. 

Other than Project Gotham Racing (good game but I prefer Forza), Gears of War and Halo, nearly everything else you have on there like Red Dead Redemption, Fifa, Fighting/Boxing games have either exact same games or similar games on PS3. So I'd have to buy an Xbox 360 for Halo, Forza, PGR and GOW only. 

Xbox 360 is easily the most redundant console for a PC gamer. For most high-end PC gamers what makes consoles exciting/worth it are their exclusives. Otherwise they are pretty much worthless unless you are a big time COD or sports fan and have a ton of console friends who play those games online. But then you'd have to pay Xbox Live fees.  Why do that when it's free on PS3 for those same titles? Again makes no sense financially. Xbox 360 has the weakest library of exclusives out of last 3 consoles and it costs money to play COD/sports games with your console friends. Also, some of these titles like Halo, Fable and Gears you can even buy on the PC.

I browsed various PC forums since Xbox 360 launched. The general consensus is that the least popular console among hardcore PC gamers is the Xbox 360 for all the reasons I outlied above. You just happen to be in the minority of PC gamers who sees value in the 360 and got butthurt that I outlined all the reasons why Xbox 360 is redundant for most PC gamers.

 

TL;DR:

Why pay more $ for Xbox games that look worse, have no mods, run like a dog at 20-30 fps at 1280x720 resolutions or lower when my PC crushes all those games for less $? And then to play multi-plats online with my console friends I have to pay online Xbox Live fees when PS3 offers online for free for same multiplayer cross-platform titles??!! What kind of logic is that? I didn't become a PC gamer because I like wasting my $ on worse gaming experiences.



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ninjablade on 07 February 2013
zero129 said:
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Aielyn said:
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no they said they did there own anlaysis they got the gpu pic from neogaf but not there analysis.

OK, then, let's use the article, because even from the article, you're wrong.

"Chipworks' shot is still being analysed"

"The answer comes from a mixture of known and unknown variables."

"The obvious suspect would be the Wii U's 1.2GHz CPU, a tri-core piece of hardware re-architected from the Wii's Broadway chip" - NOT a tri-core version of Broadway, but hardware that was re-architected from Broadway.

"However, there still plenty of unknowns to factor in too"

"... and effectively we have something approaching a full spec"

Even DF don't make the claim that it's cold hard facts.

And the fact that they had to update the die photo image because they had only marked half of the shader units says to me that they didn't do the analysis themselves... at least, the author didn't. And all of the information in the article, except for that exceptional and unsubstantiated claim right at the end, is information available from that NeoGAF thread - while there was an initial mistake regarding 20 vs 40 ALUs (I think that's what they referred to them as) that Beyond3D corrected NeoGAF about, NeoGAF has made more progress than Beyond3D on actually analysing it.


no t true at all thrakter was coming out with a wild hypothesis of 470 gflops, and beyond3d memeber came and corrected him there is not one single fact neogaf came up with just assumptions so far and not even good ones.

What! O_O , Wasnt you saying how much of a trusted site it was awhile ago? or was that only when they where agreeing with you?

I did trust them but then i found beyond3d, the only person that really came with something conclusive is AlStrong a mod at beyond3d, which is where neogaf got there numers from for the wiiu gflops, at first neogaf though it was 160 sp instead of 320sp.

Funny cos at the start i remember you saying "Beyond3D and Neogaf are the 2 most trusted sites when it comes to tech" so clearly you knew of both sites first. But then you only liked Neogaf back then when a lot of people on the site was agreeing with what you where saying, and now alot of them are not once they got the GPU pic so Neogaf can no longer be trusted in your eyes.

You pretty much have just confirmed what i said, anything that agrees with what you say is the truth and can be trusted but if they dont they cant.


neogaf can be trusted, but you have to tons of reading to get to the good posts, but there is too much fanboy specualtion on that board, beyond3d is much easier, and fanboy specualtion is not allowed. basically you have many people on neogaf who have no idea what there talking about when it comes to tech, for instant thraketer, all his specualtion is just wishful thanking.

@Bolded So pretty much it takes you too long to find the posts that agree with you?

@Underlined Sounds like you fit right in over there

 i compared the 2, while everybody on beyond3d knew the gpu would be 300-400 gflops max cause of the math 30w, tech guys on neogaf, were saying, including thrakter, blu and bigassasin 600-800 gflops, i asked beyond3d why such a huge differnce from your anlaysis, they told me cause there a bunch of fanboys, guess who was right. i can link you to the message board if you like.



ninjablade on 07 February 2013
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
BlueFalcon said:
zero129 said:
Imo i dont think anyone else should listen to another thing you say on both the WiiU and the x8 as clearly its easy to see your biased to only 1 system.

Your almost like Ninjas clone i can see why he likes to listen to you

Wow that's an intelligent response to my post. Please prove me wrong that what I said is not true.

1) MS's HDDs are way more expensive and are slower than what we can get in retail channels for the same price. I cannot buy an SSD for the Xbox 360, or a 1TB 2.5 inch hard drive. I am stuck buying a slow 5400 rpm POS Toshiba or Hitachi mechanical 250GB drive with MS. Amazing!! 

2) Shall we count the # of Xbox 360 exclusive titles/franchisees worth buying? I just bought Fable 1 and 3 for my PC for $5 on Amazon. That leaves me with Gears of War, Halo and Forza. The only 3 franchises I care to purchase considering I have a high-end gaming PC. To me that makes Xbox 360 a budget PC with just 3 key franchisees worth buying and crappy graphics for multi-platform games I'd rather buy for me PC.

3) Xbox Live fees - Sony offers the option of PSN+ (with free games) or PSN (with free online gaming).

So I stated facts and you attacked me for being biased? 

Go ahead ask any PC gamer which console is the most redundant on any PC hardware forum. I can almost guarantee almost everyone with a high-end gaming PC will tell you that Xbox 1 and 360 were the most redundant consoles for our userbase. 


that's what happens to me as well, people with strong loyalities to a company will always claim your biased if you say anything negative even though its a fact, in reality we just want the best product for are money.

So who have i got strong loyaltys too?, if you look at my games you will see i own more games on my PC then i do for any of my consoles.

So i guess you could say im loyle to PC more then any console, you know where i already get to play the Nextgen games that you hope for pretty much right now. If your on steam just look at my skyrim and GTA4 screen shots and then hope you have that kind of GFX for next gen .

dude you own a pc but you love nintendo, your biased shows through the roof, it fine as long as your nice about it, some people start throwing insults caus they love there company so much. you were calling x nextgen that's enough for me to know your strongly biased. if you compare pics of x to witcher 3 you can clearly see a generation gap.



BlueFalcon on 07 February 2013
zero129 said:
And with that you have pretty much confirmed what the person you where replying to was saying, good job .

Yes, but there is a difference between expecting revolutionary 10x better looking graphics from PS4/720 and ignoring "better looking graphics" because it's not 10x better. If someone expects PS4/720 to look 5-10x better than Wii U, it won't happen. That's not the same as saying the difference will be barely noticeable. I mean some people claim PS3/360 have very similar graphics to the PC because to them going from 1152x720 resolution of Crysis 3 on the 360 to 2560x1600 in Crysis 3 on the PC is only a marginal improvement. To me it's the difference between never buying Crysis 3 on the console. Everyone has a different tolerance for graphics. All things being equal, I'll take a better looking version of the same game if I can. This again brings me back to the exact point I made above in responding to you: mutliplatform games are almost always better on the PC (if you have a high-end PC) and consoles are best for exclusives. And if you desire to play games like COD or sports titles online, PS3 offers this for free, so why pay Xbox Live fees?



ninjablade on 07 February 2013
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
BlueFalcon said:
zero129 said:
Imo i dont think anyone else should listen to another thing you say on both the WiiU and the x8 as clearly its easy to see your biased to only 1 system.

Your almost like Ninjas clone i can see why he likes to listen to you

Wow that's an intelligent response to my post. Please prove me wrong that what I said is not true.

1) MS's HDDs are way more expensive and are slower than what we can get in retail channels for the same price. I cannot buy an SSD for the Xbox 360, or a 1TB 2.5 inch hard drive. I am stuck buying a slow 5400 rpm POS Toshiba or Hitachi mechanical 250GB drive with MS. Amazing!! 

2) Shall we count the # of Xbox 360 exclusive titles/franchisees worth buying? I just bought Fable 1 and 3 for my PC for $5 on Amazon. That leaves me with Gears of War, Halo and Forza. The only 3 franchises I care to purchase considering I have a high-end gaming PC. To me that makes Xbox 360 a budget PC with just 3 key franchisees worth buying and crappy graphics for multi-platform games I'd rather buy for me PC.

3) Xbox Live fees - Sony offers the option of PSN+ (with free games) or PSN (with free online gaming).

So I stated facts and you attacked me for being biased? 

Go ahead ask any PC gamer which console is the most redundant on any PC hardware forum. I can almost guarantee almost everyone with a high-end gaming PC will tell you that Xbox 1 and 360 were the most redundant consoles for our userbase. 


that's what happens to me as well, people with strong loyalities to a company will always claim your biased if you say anything negative even though its a fact, in reality we just want the best product for are money.

So who have i got strong loyaltys too?, if you look at my games you will see i own more games on my PC then i do for any of my consoles.

So i guess you could say im loyle to PC more then any console, you know where i already get to play the Nextgen games that you hope for pretty much right now. If your on steam just look at my skyrim and GTA4 screen shots and then hope you have that kind of GFX for next gen .

dude you own a pc but you love nintendo, your biased shows through the roof, it fine as long as your nice about it, some people start throwing insults caus they love there company so much. you were calling x nextgen that's enough for me to know your strongly biased. if you compare pics of x to witcher 3 you can clearly see a generation gap.

I said X wouldnt be possible on current gen consoles pretty much without being dumbed down. And trust me once its finished you will see that.

so if its not possible on current gen consoles unless it was dumbed down does that not make it a nextgen game??, You did see how much better Xenoblade looked compared to when it was a prototype right?. Expect the same kind of jump for Project X, something that already looks great and will end up looking so much better.

 

you called x a next gen game, under the assumpation when its done will look better then any game, from the video its not special techincally, that show bias imo.



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ninjablade on 07 February 2013
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
zero129 said:
ninjablade said:
BlueFalcon said:
zero129 said:
Imo i dont think anyone else should listen to another thing you say on both the WiiU and the x8 as clearly its easy to see your biased to only 1 system.

Your almost like Ninjas clone i can see why he likes to listen to you

Wow that's an intelligent response to my post. Please prove me wrong that what I said is not true.

1) MS's HDDs are way more expensive and are slower than what we can get in retail channels for the same price. I cannot buy an SSD for the Xbox 360, or a 1TB 2.5 inch hard drive. I am stuck buying a slow 5400 rpm POS Toshiba or Hitachi mechanical 250GB drive with MS. Amazing!! 

2) Shall we count the # of Xbox 360 exclusive titles/franchisees worth buying? I just bought Fable 1 and 3 for my PC for $5 on Amazon. That leaves me with Gears of War, Halo and Forza. The only 3 franchises I care to purchase considering I have a high-end gaming PC. To me that makes Xbox 360 a budget PC with just 3 key franchisees worth buying and crappy graphics for multi-platform games I'd rather buy for me PC.

3) Xbox Live fees - Sony offers the option of PSN+ (with free games) or PSN (with free online gaming).

So I stated facts and you attacked me for being biased? 

Go ahead ask any PC gamer which console is the most redundant on any PC hardware forum. I can almost guarantee almost everyone with a high-end gaming PC will tell you that Xbox 1 and 360 were the most redundant consoles for our userbase. 


that's what happens to me as well, people with strong loyalities to a company will always claim your biased if you say anything negative even though its a fact, in reality we just want the best product for are money.

So who have i got strong loyaltys too?, if you look at my games you will see i own more games on my PC then i do for any of my consoles.

So i guess you could say im loyle to PC more then any console, you know where i already get to play the Nextgen games that you hope for pretty much right now. If your on steam just look at my skyrim and GTA4 screen shots and then hope you have that kind of GFX for next gen .

dude you own a pc but you love nintendo, your biased shows through the roof, it fine as long as your nice about it, some people start throwing insults caus they love there company so much. you were calling x nextgen that's enough for me to know your strongly biased. if you compare pics of x to witcher 3 you can clearly see a generation gap.

I said X wouldnt be possible on current gen consoles pretty much without being dumbed down. And trust me once its finished you will see that.

so if its not possible on current gen consoles unless it was dumbed down does that not make it a nextgen game??, You did see how much better Xenoblade looked compared to when it was a prototype right?. Expect the same kind of jump for Project X, something that already looks great and will end up looking so much better.

 

you called x a next gen game, under the assumpation when its done will look better then any game, from the video its not special techincally.

Care to show me where i said it will look better then "any" game?. I said it will look better then any game on the 360/Ps3. And trust me when finished it will.

The will be no game on the PS3 and 360 with such a large open world that will look as good as it.

thats just wishful thinking, and it will never be better looking, it might more techincally impressive but best looking not by a long shot but judging from the video techically its nothing special.



Cobretti2 on 07 February 2013
BlueFalcon said:
curl-6 said:
50% better than PS360 is fine by me. It's about what I expected.

If the Wii U is 25% or 75% or 100% faster than PS360 consoles, what difference does it make? It won't be 5-10x more powerful which is what it needed to have next generation graphics. That means you'll be buying it for the games/gameplay not graphics. We can rule out that Wii U can match the graphics of PS4/720 automatically at this point already. Most people interested in the Wii U aren't buying it for graphics.

I would have loved for the next Legend of Zelda game to look like this, but it's not going to happen.

If you can live with Zelda on the Wii U looking like this, you can stop worrying about specs because it will AT LEAST look like this:


Agree about zelda would be nice if it looked like the first images.

 

However I disagree with you that it will look like at least the second image. The reason being Nintendo will switch to some form of cell shading half way through development.



 

 

spaceguy on 07 February 2013

I bought one because mario is the sh-t. It maybe less powerful than the next gen consoles from Sony or ms but that really doesn't matter to me because I will be buying the next box anyway. NO I WILL NOT BE BUYING SONY. I DID IN THE PAST AND FROM NON-STOP PROBLEMS WITH THE PRODUCTS AND CUSTOMER SERVICE, I WILL NEVER GO BACK.



curl-6 on 07 February 2013
ninjablade said:

dude you own a pc but you love nintendo, your biased shows through the roof, it fine as long as your nice about it, some people start throwing insults caus they love there company so much. you were calling x nextgen that's enough for me to know your strongly biased. if you compare pics of x to witcher 3 you can clearly see a generation gap.

Says the guy who spends his entire time here going into Nintendo threads trying to put a negative spin on the Wii U hardware, to the point of putting incomplete an unconfirmed specs in his sig while conveniently omitting from it things like the fact that the 360 also loses RAM to its OS...



ninjablade on 07 February 2013
curl-6 said:
ninjablade said:

dude you own a pc but you love nintendo, your biased shows through the roof, it fine as long as your nice about it, some people start throwing insults caus they love there company so much. you were calling x nextgen that's enough for me to know your strongly biased. if you compare pics of x to witcher 3 you can clearly see a generation gap.

Says the guy who spends his entire time here going into Nintendo threads trying to put a negative spin on the Wii U hardware, to the point of putting incomplete an unconfirmed specs in his sig while conveniently omitting from it things like the fact that the 360 also loses RAM to its OS...


360 doesn't lose ram to the os.