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What types of Guns should we ban?

All Guns 62 24.80%
 
All Guns, make guns legal... 16 6.40%
 
All Guns, in Major Cities... 9 3.60%
 
All Guns, except Hunting Rifles 16 6.40%
 
Just Handguns, they serve... 2 0.80%
 
Just Semi-Auto Rifles, a bit overkill 11 4.40%
 
None, but we should make ... 27 10.80%
 
None, we have a right to carry weapons 43 17.20%
 
None, I still don't beli... 42 16.80%
 
See Results 21 8.40%
 
Total:249
Michael-5 said:

Seriously, why are there so many smuggled guns in the USA?

1. Drugs and drug laws.

2. Gun control. Often easier and cheaper to smuggle them in than buy them via legal channels.

 

Come spend a few days in the inner city of any major US city and you'll see where our gun problems exist and why a ban won't do a damn bit of good.



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Ceasing mass production of superweapons would be much more apreciated USA.



Kasz216 said:
Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Guns should not be easy to get.

I remember the Columbine High School shooting. Two students 17 to 18 years old, dressed like they came out from the Matrix with:
Intratec TEC-DC9
Hi-Point 995 Carbine
Savage 67H pump-action shotgun
Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun
explosives
4 knives

 

this shyt is ridiculous


...which they aquired illegally.

Aquired Illegally, but still bought in the good old USA correct?

Does an old lady need a semi automatic rifle? Why should she be able to purchase one when she has a youth in the house with serious psychological issues?


...and?  I bet i could buy a gun in canada pretty easy too.  Or Japan... etc. 

It's not like illegal drugs make drugs hard to comeby afterall.

You have to take a psychotic test to purchase a gun in Canada, and it's easy to fail, one of my very normal friends took it, and failed. If you have a history of schizophrenea, or bi polar in the family, even if you are mentally competant and disease free, you can't get a gun. You also sometimes need family member to take the psych test if there is a chance they can steal the gun from you. I also believe you need a justified reason for owning a gun, and there a few clauses (like you can;t own a handgun if you have children under the age of 6). For example, I can't get a gun outside the shooting range unless I want to purchase a rifle for hunting deer. It's almost impossible for me to get a handgun because I have no use for it. I don't like in a ghetto neighbourhood, and if I did, I would pass the fitness test, so I can fend for myself without a gun.

In Japan it's almost impossble to get a gun, and I'm not even sure if you can own one, just lease it from the government.

In South Korea, it's literally impossible to get a gun. Border security is tight, the only way you can get a gun, is if you make it yourself.


Because of these strict regulations, an old lady can't buy a gun if there is a chance her teenage son will steal it and use it. This is my issue with guns, it's just too damn open in the USA. It's fine if an old lady in a ghetto area wants a gun for protection....IFF you can garentee she has no family members who might abuse her, steal the gun, and kill people. Guns are just too easy of a way of killing others.

You analogy to drugs is true, but drugs are easier to smuggle. You only need 1 seed to grow a drug plant. You can't grow a gun.



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Viper1 said:
Michael-5 said:

Seriously, why are there so many smuggled guns in the USA?

1. Drugs and drug laws.

2. Gun control. Often easier and cheaper to smuggle them in than buy them via legal channels.

 

Come spend a few days in the inner city of any major US city and you'll see where our gun problems exist and why a ban won't do a damn bit of good.

I actually have a lot of family who live in New York, and I've been to several large cities on the east and west coast of USA.

I don't see why you need them.

However I am legitimatly scared of the condition of some of your cities. In Denver, every couple blocks I saw a painting/ad/mural about why meth is bad. Do you seriously have that big of a Meth issue there? In Texas, I was not comfortable with the fact that everyone had at least 1 gun exposed. I felt like if I touched it, they would shoot and kill me no problem, and that's just creepy knowing that if I bump into someone the wrong way....I die. Manhattan I like, but I've never been to Harlum or the Ghetto. Miami is fiiiinnne. Uh... I've been around, never to LA though, or Nevada.

To be honest, It's the mentality of some American cities that scares me shitless. First of all, I make a thread about banning guns, and I have 20 people down my throat about how crazy that is, and maybe 1 person who supports me. You guys are so gun crazy, it's nuts, most won't even consider a gun-less environment. Second your lifestyles, every southern city I go to, I see rednecks and hillbillies. I've never seen a redneck in Canada, at least, not a dumb one. The amount of vocabulary and the level of intellect......

I'm just going to stop here......

I'll agree Education will probably help reduce homicide rates more then a gun ban, or stricter regulations on guns. Drug control will also reduce a lot of problems (Seriously, Meth Murals). USA is full of problems. Got the answers I was looking for.

Peeace.



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Michael-5 said:
Viper1 said:
Michael-5 said:

Seriously, why are there so many smuggled guns in the USA?

1. Drugs and drug laws.

2. Gun control. Often easier and cheaper to smuggle them in than buy them via legal channels.

 

Come spend a few days in the inner city of any major US city and you'll see where our gun problems exist and why a ban won't do a damn bit of good.

I actually have a lot of family who live in New York, and I've been to several large cities on the east and west coast of USA.

I don't see why you need them.

However I am legitimatly scared of the condition of some of your cities. In Denver, every couple blocks I saw a painting/ad/mural about why meth is bad. Do you seriously have that big of a Meth issue there? In Texas, I was not comfortable with the fact that everyone had at least 1 gun exposed. I felt like if I touched it, they would shoot and kill me no problem, and that's just creepy knowing that if I bump into someone the wrong way....I die. Manhattan I like, but I've never been to Harlum or the Ghetto. Miami is fiiiinnne. Uh... I've been around, never to LA though, or Nevada.

To be honest, It's the mentality of some American cities that scares me shitless. First of all, I make a thread about banning guns, and I have 20 people down my throat about how crazy that is, and maybe 1 person who supports me. You guys are so gun crazy, it's nuts, most won't even consider a gun-less environment. Second your lifestyles, every southern city I go to, I see rednecks and hillbillies. I've never seen a redneck in Canada, at least, not a dumb one. The amount of vocabulary and the level of intellect......

I'm just going to stop here......

I'll agree Education will probably help reduce homicide rates more then a gun ban, or stricter regulations on guns. Drug control will also reduce a lot of problems (Seriously, Meth Murals). USA is full of problems. Got the answers I was looking for.

Peeace.


People don't jump on you because they're gun crazy.  They jump on you because they're well informed.  Gun control has been statistically proven to either do nothing or possibly even cause harm.

You are scared only because of your own ignorance on the topic.  Someone with a liscense to carry a gun is less likely to shoot somebody then someone who doesn't own a gun. 

Also, yes meth is that big of a problem in Denver.  



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Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:
Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Guns should not be easy to get.

I remember the Columbine High School shooting. Two students 17 to 18 years old, dressed like they came out from the Matrix with:
Intratec TEC-DC9
Hi-Point 995 Carbine
Savage 67H pump-action shotgun
Stevens 311D double barreled sawed-off shotgun
explosives
4 knives

 

this shyt is ridiculous


...which they aquired illegally.

Aquired Illegally, but still bought in the good old USA correct?

Does an old lady need a semi automatic rifle? Why should she be able to purchase one when she has a youth in the house with serious psychological issues?


...and?  I bet i could buy a gun in canada pretty easy too.  Or Japan... etc. 

It's not like illegal drugs make drugs hard to comeby afterall.

You have to take a psychotic test to purchase a gun in Canada, and it's easy to fail, one of my very normal friends took it, and failed. If you have a history of schizophrenea, or bi polar in the family, even if you are mentally competant and disease free, you can't get a gun. You also sometimes need family member to take the psych test if there is a chance they can steal the gun from you. I also believe you need a justified reason for owning a gun, and there a few clauses (like you can;t own a handgun if you have children under the age of 6). For example, I can't get a gun outside the shooting range unless I want to purchase a rifle for hunting deer. It's almost impossible for me to get a handgun because I have no use for it. I don't like in a ghetto neighbourhood, and if I did, I would pass the fitness test, so I can fend for myself without a gun.

In Japan it's almost impossble to get a gun, and I'm not even sure if you can own one, just lease it from the government.

In South Korea, it's literally impossible to get a gun. Border security is tight, the only way you can get a gun, is if you make it yourself.


Because of these strict regulations, an old lady can't buy a gun if there is a chance her teenage son will steal it and use it. This is my issue with guns, it's just too damn open in the USA. It's fine if an old lady in a ghetto area wants a gun for protection....IFF you can garentee she has no family members who might abuse her, steal the gun, and kill people. Guns are just too easy of a way of killing others.

You analogy to drugs is true, but drugs are easier to smuggle. You only need 1 seed to grow a drug plant. You can't grow a gun.

A)  The vast majority of drugs in any country are smuggled in.  Practically nobody actually domestically grows drugs except for personal use.

 

B) By buying a gun... I mean illegally.  It is extremely easy to buy guns illegally. (or pretty much anything. people find ways to eaisly buy fucking tigers and shit.)

 



Michael-5 said:
Viper1 said:
Michael-5 said:

Seriously, why are there so many smuggled guns in the USA?

1. Drugs and drug laws.

2. Gun control. Often easier and cheaper to smuggle them in than buy them via legal channels.

 

Come spend a few days in the inner city of any major US city and you'll see where our gun problems exist and why a ban won't do a damn bit of good.

I actually have a lot of family who live in New York, and I've been to several large cities on the east and west coast of USA.

I don't see why you need them.

However I am legitimatly scared of the condition of some of your cities. In Denver, every couple blocks I saw a painting/ad/mural about why meth is bad. Do you seriously have that big of a Meth issue there? In Texas, I was not comfortable with the fact that everyone had at least 1 gun exposed. I felt like if I touched it, they would shoot and kill me no problem, and that's just creepy knowing that if I bump into someone the wrong way....I die. Manhattan I like, but I've never been to Harlum or the Ghetto. Miami is fiiiinnne. Uh... I've been around, never to LA though, or Nevada.

To be honest, It's the mentality of some American cities that scares me shitless. First of all, I make a thread about banning guns, and I have 20 people down my throat about how crazy that is, and maybe 1 person who supports me. You guys are so gun crazy, it's nuts, most won't even consider a gun-less environment. Second your lifestyles, every southern city I go to, I see rednecks and hillbillies. I've never seen a redneck in Canada, at least, not a dumb one. The amount of vocabulary and the level of intellect......

I'm just going to stop here......

I'll agree Education will probably help reduce homicide rates more then a gun ban, or stricter regulations on guns. Drug control will also reduce a lot of problems (Seriously, Meth Murals). USA is full of problems. Got the answers I was looking for.

Peeace.

Well, there you go.  You're just not aware of the drug problems here.

Most gun violence is drug related.  If you don't know of the drug problem, it's easy to see why you'd think we have a gun problem rather than a drug problem.

As for Texas, ever hear of the phrase "southern hospitality"?   If not, look it up.  Don't be afraid of bumping into someone just because they carry a six shooter on their hip.  Chances are it might be the nicest guy you ever meet.  You have to get over this idea that a gun owner is likely to kill you for bothering him.   Just doesn't work that way.



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How long will it take before anti-gun people realize banning guns doesn't stop crime?

Fact 1: Cities like Chicago and New York are among the highest in the country in both gun control and gun crime. Gun control has failed to stop crime in these cities.

Fact 2: Law abiding citizens with guns stop/prevent crime, all police can do is come clean up the crime-scene...unless they happen to be in the right place at the right time to stop a criminal.

Fact 3: Guns are an equalizer. It doesn't matter if you're a 90 pound female or a big bastard that can bench 225...you're equal if you both have a gun. This means that women can protect themselves from rape/sexual assault, and a weaker man has a chance against a bigger man, or group/gang.

Fact 4: Law abiding citizens aren't trigger happy. Usually just showing that you have a gun is more than enough to deter a criminal. RARELY do citizens actually have to fire the gun to scare off a criminal.

Fact 5: We have the right to bear arms...the forefathers put no limitations on this. It doesn't specify guns for hunting or for target shooting...it just says right to bear arms.


I do agree that more training and perhaps background checks are needed, but I think all sane/non-criminal citizens should have the right to own as many guns as they like. Switzerland is an example of how a country can be perfectly safe even with high gun ownership...since men all serve in the army at some point and are well familiarized with guns and know how to use/operate them safely.



Michael-5 said:

A) True, very true. You got me here, I guess I'm being a bit idealistic then, USA is a lot different then Canada.

B) All my comments are critiques to a video posted by..... JoetheBro. I assumed when someone quoted me, it was the same person who posted the video. Why did you critisize my comment about Mass Murders being caused by poor gun regulation if you had nothing to say about it?

C) My point was that video games aren't a problem. That Video I originally pointed out critisized video games as being the problem, but Canada and USA have the exact same video games, similar economies, and....USA's Homicide rate is significantly higher. My point is that video games aren't causing violence like the video suggested. Gun Culture, and acess to guns are contributing to it though.

D) Using that same website, you're also 20X more likely to get killed by a gunshot in the USA (40% FireArm Homicide rate in USA, Canada isn't even tracked, but it's below 2.6%), 10X more likely to be killed by a gun, and only 2X more likely to get raped

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_rap_vic-crime-rape-victims

Your own website is posting contradictory information. 15X as many rapes per capita, but the rape rate is only twice as high? (0.8% vs. 0.4%), and we have a population with an obesity rate which is less then half of yours....Kinda clear why that happens. Is this telling me the same people are getting raped?

Yes USA, is much more violent.

D-II) Why would closed boarders be equally susceptable? Canada has a closed border with USA, Japan and South Korea have closed borders, and lookie here....low low Homicide rates, especially with Guns.

E) Except for Finland.....wait Canada's Gun ownership rate isn't even that high, why are we on the left?

Also, you don't have to ban all guns. What about handguns. I don't know Canada's handgun ownership rate, but Toronto's Handgun ownership rate is about 3%, and look we have a low crime rate.

Why not just ban handguns?

F) True, but still 1 murder spree 20 years ago doesn't make much of a case.

A) Ha! 

B) Mass murders aren't caused by poor gun regulation, they are caused by crazy individuals. Any other notion is unfounded and misguided.

C) I never argued they were.

D) Yes, but violence isn't limited to guns which was my point. Your source is not rape crime, but rape victim - in other words, unreliable. Read the fine print at the bottom. Basically you're trading homicide for rape and touting it as a success. 

D-II) Well, the USA has a closed border with Mexico and where do you think the majority of all illegal weapons come from? The point is, criminals couldn't care less whether or not the border is open or closed. (And this has nothing to do with legal gun ownership)

Hand guns are the problem now? lol wow you just keep shouting arguments in hopes that one will stick. You come unprepared and it shows.

F) Case: Canada has had mass shootings. I cited 2. Case closed. You lose.



I voted "None, but we should make it a lot harder to get a gun".

I think banning all guns would be a very bad idea, I'm very surprised by the poll results. Not only would it be near impossible, it would be impractical too, and even tighter than UK gun control. I say just limit magazine capacity and introduce obstacles for people trying to buy handguns or semi-auto rifles.