Somini said:
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They are slipping up on buying Nintendo consoles. That's why he sighed.
Somini said:
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They are slipping up on buying Nintendo consoles. That's why he sighed.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=510874&page=2
I wish someone can throw the taiwan 2011 software charts to neogaf so they can stop think every Asia countries=Japan like
http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=139503
And sadly i only have taiwan 2011 Jan~July hardware sales,and it just about 360 since it reported by MS Taiwan in August 23 2011(i saw some people in taiwan forum said 360 was 2011 full year no.1 but he doesn't posted any picture or report so i can't take it for real yet)
http://i.minus.com/iOt60TWwpeTI5.JPG(picture too big)
Anyway if GFK throw 2012 hardware/software numbers in taiwan or even hong kong i will post it
So, depending on how VGC and Nintendo define Europe, the Wii U might be overtracked by as much as ~77k. Which isn't very much, but it is quite different from the claims of undertracked by some people.
Somini said:
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As a diehard Nintendo fanboy it's quite difficult to overlook the unhealthy path sales are takin. That is, of course, 3DS apart.
I just noticed that PS3 is selling 2 million or more than Wii per year in Europe and that gap is to be bigger in 2013.... now the actual sales (no adjustments yet):
PS3: 28,468,570
Wii: 32,538,150
The gap is 4,069,580... so if PS3 widen the year gap in this year then the PS3 will outsell Wii in Europe in the first half of 2014.
EPIC!!!

What is the consensus? Does this match MS shipments+ Projected Sony shipments+ Nintendo shipments?
| ethomaz said: I just noticed that PS3 is selling 2 million or more than Wii per year in Europe and that gap is to be bigger in 2013.... now the actual sales (no adjustments yet):
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Damn, you're right. If we look at Japan sales, the situation is somewhat similar. While it will take longer for it to happen, and I don't think the PS3 will pass the Wii, I do believe the PS3 is going to deminish the gap between it and the Wii incredibly.
The gap is now ~3.7M in favor of the Wii. The PS3 outsold the Wii by ~760K in 2012. Now, let's say the PS3 and Wii see the same amount of decline as they did in 2012 (PS3 = 19% down, Wii = 46% down). That would mean that the PS3 will sell ~1M and the Wii would sell ~250K, which gives the PS3 a lead of ~750K. Keeping the same rate of decline, for 2014 we get 810K for the PS3 and 135K for Wii, a lead of 675K for the year. This already knocks that lead down to 2.3M. I expect the Wii will be taken off the market by the end of 2014, so any numbers PS3 racks up, it will continue to chip away at that lead. So, in 2015, that would give the PS3 656K, the gap decreases to 1.6M. In 2016, maybe the final year of the PS3, that's 531K, the gap decreases to 1.1M.
Of course, I expect the Wii do be significantly down by more than 46% in Japan. More like 55%-60%. I also see this being a better year for the PS3, as far as declines go. Especially since it will get a price cut this year, as well as still having good SW support. So, I think it will be more like 15% down, instead of 19%. If things play out like I predict, than the PS3 will end up with ~1.1M and the Wii will have ~212K. That would decrease the gap to 2.8M. If the PS3 goes back to 20% declines, and the Wii settles at 50% declines, 2014 would give the PS3 880K and the Wii 106K. The gap decreases to 2M. The Wii is discontinued before 2015, the PS3 sells 704K, the gap decreases to 1.3M. 2016, the PS3 sells 563K, the gap decreases to 737K. Granted, my numbers are pretty optimistic for the PS3, probably even the Wii, but we'll have to see how things pla out. There is always the chance that without support, the Wii drops like a stone and ends up >60% down every year, from now on.
TL;DR = I agree that PS3 is going to pass the Wii in EU and also think that the PS3 will end up only ~750K-1.5M behind the Wii in Japan, when all is said and done. Quite impressive when you consider how this gen began.
thismeintiel said:
Damn, you're right. If we look at Japan sales, the situation is somewhat similar. While it will take longer for it to happen, and I don't think the PS3 will pass the Wii, I do believe the PS3 is going to deminish the gap between it and the Wii incredibly. The gap is now ~3.7M in favor of the Wii. The PS3 outsold the Wii by ~760K in 2012. Now, let's say the PS3 and Wii see the same amount of decline as they did in 2012 (PS3 = 19% down, Wii = 46% down). That would mean that the PS3 will sell ~1M and the Wii would sell ~250K, which gives the PS3 a lead of ~750K. Keeping the same rate of decline, for 2014 we get 810K for the PS3 and 135K for Wii, a lead of 675K for the year. This already knocks that lead down to 2.3M. I expect the Wii will be taken off the market by the end of 2014, so any numbers PS3 racks up, it will continue to chip away at that lead. So, in 2015, that would give the PS3 656K, the gap decreases to 1.6M. In 2016, maybe the final year of the PS3, that's 531K, the gap decreases to 1.1M. Of course, I expect the Wii do be significantly down by more than 46% in Japan. More like 55%-60%. I also see this being a better year for the PS3, as far as declines go. Especially since it will get a price cut this year, as well as still having good SW support. So, I think it will be more like 15% down, instead of 19%. If things play out like I predict, than the PS3 will end up with ~1.1M and the Wii will have ~212K. That would decrease the gap to 2.8M. If the PS3 goes back to 20% declines, and the Wii settles at 50% declines, 2014 would give the PS3 880K and the Wii 106K. The gap decreases to 2M. The Wii is discontinued before 2015, the PS3 sells 704K, the gap decreases to 1.3M. 2016, the PS3 sells 563K, the gap decreases to 737K. Granted, my numbers are pretty optimistic for the PS3, probably even the Wii, but we'll have to see how things pla out. There is always the chance that without support, the Wii drops like a stone and ends up >60% down every year, from now on. TL;DR = I agree that PS3 is going to pass the Wii in EU and also think that the PS3 will end up only ~750K-1.5M behind the Wii in Japan, when all is said and done. Quite impressive when you consider how this gen began. |
I disagree with your sales for this year and for the later sales for PS3. PS3 SW support for Japan is looking quite bleak this year. What it needs to be able to make large gains on the Wii like you say is to get FFVXIII and others exclusive to PS3. The Wii is at 50% declines and in 2014 or 2015 I imagine the PS3 will be at 50% declines as well not the modest 20% declines. I agree the Wii will drop hard though. Overall yeah the PS3 will make some ground and pass in EU. Western support for PS3 is good this year with a price cut could be quite meaningful sales.
| ethomaz said: YOY - VGC have the PS3 18% down in Europe... Nintendo had it only 11% down. I think every console is undertracked in Europe if the 2011 VGC numbers are correted and already adjusted. |
you got any ruff averages off the top of your head if any of the scenarios play out? i know vgc adjusted down PS3 from 11.9m and 360 from 10.3m or .5. down to PS3 11.3m and 360 to like 9.4m. for 2012.
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
you got any ruff averages off the top of your head if any of the scenarios play out? i know vgc adjusted down PS3 from 11.9m and 360 from 10.3m or .5. down to PS3 11.3m and 360 to like 9.4m. for 2012. |
Know you were asking ethomaz but I felt like putting my 2 cents in. 
If you use Nintendo's YOY declines and apply it to VGC's numbers for EU 2011, we get ~5.14M for the PS3, ~3.37M for the 360, and ~2.09M for the Wii in 2012. This would add an extra 392K for the PS3, or 11.67M WW. Add an extra 437K for the 360, or 10.24M WW (this lines up better with MS shipped numbers). And an extra 372K for the Wii, or 5.28M WW. Of course, this only works if they were flat by the same amount in the countries Nintendo doesn't include in EU.
It is interesting to note that with the calculations I made above, the sold number for MS now syncs up better with the shipment numbers they reported. This would put 1.88M consoles on shelves. A much more believable number than the 2.32M we have on shelves now.
Edit: It would also put 510K Wiis on shelves, as opposed to 880K. Though, either number is probably acceptable for a system that has started to sell as slowly as the Wii.