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bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.

The only service they both share is discounts and it makes sense than PS+ would offer better discounts seeing how it is a discount service. On a related line of logic, my Kroger store card gives me better discounts on groceries than my library card.



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Dark_Feanor said:
Live Gold will never be free. It´s a model that works.
I don´t know a single friend that unsubscribed Live Gold in the last 3 years.

I´m sick and tired of those pseudo-experts and true-fanboys ranting for everething to be free and blá-blá-blá...

I find it amusing that the people that don't pay for it are the ones complaing about it, if you have your service of choice that's fine but you don't have to shit on everybody who don't seem to care about the one you choose. At the end of the day the market will dictate which will succeed and from my viewpoint that's XBL and if Sony implemented the same service they would fail so they go the desprate route and give games away, nothing wrong with that but remember Sony are eating that cost.



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binary solo said:
I always had confidence in the worth of PS+. But I also knew it was a service I'd never buy into. Why? Because it's too good. It's like subscription based crack. I'd end up wasting my life away on all the almost free games that and thus my life would be ruined because of PS+. So for my own good I must resist, and continue to resist. .

I can see that extra dot at the end of your post!



riderz13371 said:

There's a strong sentiment in the games industry that the consumer should be the load-bearer for a publisher's problems. Game budgets running out of control? Charge $60, regardless of quality, and take content out to sell as "downloadable" content later. Piracy is a perceived problem? Shovel in a load of DRM as a placebo, which only really has the affect of controlling those consumers who already paid you fair and square. Used games a potential threat? Lock online play in a cage and make used gamers pay a direct fee, while those who bought it new waste time inputting a code to show their fealty. 

Sony's not above some of those practices itself, of course, but at least when it comes to PS Plus, the company truly did its loyalest consumers a solid. 

 

This is the only part I really liked from your initial thread. I will give credit that Sony is doing great in the game department, but the machine suffers heavily from applications that are not truly optimized to the hardware. The Youtube application on my PS3 stutters with every video I've played. I can't use my keyboard or move controller to interact with Netflix. Crackle crashes my PS3 very often. Syncing with thropys is slow and feels cumbersome. The interface itself feels like its was put together by individuals who are paid to do a job they have no passion for. It's as if non of them will every use the interface, so they do the bear minimum work as possible. I own the PS3 60GB release model, The 320GB slim model, and the 250gb super slim which I sent down to central america to my cousin as a gift this past december. I tested all of the models.

I will agree with you in terms of game content, but Sony can do so much more. It could (if it really tried) make this machine the center of entertainment in the living room. The machine still constrains the individual to use Sony services--where they can make money. They need to really let that go. I like the notion of Sony rebuilding it's customer loyalty. Think of a PS3 that could play MKVs, Flacs, or that it could stream di.fm, grooveshark, pandora, play dailymotion video and other type of internet content. To me, the PS3 is very limited by Sony's tight grip. To all of you that think that gaming console is only supposed to play games, I feel that is not the case now. Some of your may disagree with me, but the PS3 can not do everything. Far from it, the things it does outside gaming are not truely optimized (they are subpar at best).

I am really considering the Steam box next generation. I've been a pretty loyal Sony customer this generation, but I love competition and with a little patience, I think I hold off until I can compare all 4 of the next gen consoles.



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MB1025 said:

In the end that is Son'y fault. They had to play catch up with their entire online sevice for years and still they are far behind when it comes to cross chat and connectivity. There is a CLEAR difference between Call of Duty and Battlefield on Xbox and those same games on PS3. People who play Call of Duty on PS3 get kicked out of games on the regular for no reason. No problems on Xbox though.

Mr. Scratch. Are we now allowed to post things we day dream about now. Have played every COD except 5 on PS3 and never had that problem. There were problems with Black Ops 1 launch but even that was fixed with patches. 

Please don't make things out of thin air. This is not Night Springs. 



J_Allard said:
bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.

The only service they both share is discounts and it makes sense than PS+ would offer better discounts seeing how it is a discount service. On a related line of logic, my Kroger store card gives me better discounts on groceries than my library card.


PSN Plus cannot stay complacent. Next gen it will probably expand to movies and more.



Yeah PSN+ is definitely a pattern I wouldn't mind seeing Nintendo copy. The free content (games) is worth the annual price alone. So long as everything else remains free as in browser, social, miiverse, and online gameplay that is intended to be delivered with the game in the first place.



MB1025 said:
pezus said:
MB1025 said:
bertlsenix said:
J_Allard said:
It's a great service for customers but lol @ comparing it to XBL. They are two different services that offer two different things.


Yeah its wrong to compare them cause PSN+ is in every way superior and customer friendly.
And of course they offer different thngs...PSN+ is offering a lot of value in terms of free stuff for the customer and better quality for services both share.


No XBL is the entire experiecne from online gaming, apps, and so on. PS+ is a subscription based service that has nothing to do with online gaming and apps.

You have to pay for the same apps as PS players have to, no? PS3's entire online experience is free, so you can see why people say XBLGold compares unfavourably to Plus - which is an additional service, that is still cheaper than a year of Gold.


No you comapre Xbox Live to PSN. Not PS Plus which is a side service that give you free content. You don't need PS Plus to play online. However I would rather pay 60 dollars a year to have a better online experience with first and thrid party than Sony's free experience and have have a mediocre expereince.

In the end that is Son'y fault. They had to play catch up with their entire online sevice for years and still they are far behind when it comes to cross chat and connectivity. There is a CLEAR difference between Call of Duty and Battlefield on Xbox and those same games on PS3. People who play Call of Duty on PS3 get kicked out of games on the regular for no reason. No problems on Xbox though.


Muhahahaha

 

MUHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

Seriously wtf, are you one of those guys that still hold on to the myth that XBL has better connection than PSN? Your post makes 0 sense, PS3 CoD players get kicked out of games for no reason? The fuck? How do you know? Have you played both versions and compared them? X chat has nothing to do with PSN, it was limited due to the ps3 ram, Vita has both x chat and parties.

 

Frankly, I don't think you know what you're talking about. Calling PSN a mediocre online experience lmao. Ive put more than 500 hours in BF3 on PS3 and recently switched to the pc version,  never did I think my online connectivity on the ps3 was less than pc. I'm sure with your next comment you'll come back and say "bbbuutt the garfix and teh 64playaz are teh superiorz" missing the part where I said online connectivity.

 

Nothing gets me as down as challenging my intelligence and I feel bad even replying at this mess.



Gribble said:
pokoko said:
Gribble said:
I think the case is just too compelling to argue against PS+. Even IF you call it a rental system (which in essence is true) that's less that £1 per game. Then there's the discounts, auto updates and online saves. This is an 'everyman's' article for me.

The discounts, auto updates, and online saves are every bit as important to me as the games, perhaps even moreso.  I LOVE SO MUCH turning on my PS3 and seeing that EVERYTHING has been downloaded and patched up.  The first time it happened I think I cried a little.

I also want to own up and say that I scoffed at PS+ at first.  I thought it was going to be another half-baked idea from Sony that they would abandon after a year.  I'm glad they proved me wrong.

Same here actually. The problem is that I've just bought Disgaea 4 and the patch patches a few levels that were great for grinding. My son wanted me to turn the auto update off, so I obliged and I'm not bloody happy about it! Is there a way to stop it updating one particular game?

Hm, that's a tough situation.  It would surprise me if there is a way to disable one update, as publishers and developers want their releases patched for the very reason you're talking about, to remove exploits.  There might be methods out there but I don't know them.  Tell your son that he's got one week to get to level 1000 before you're turning it back on!

On topic, I hope no one is suggesting that Jim Sterling is a Sony fanboy?  This is the guy who goes into a rage because of system updates every other month.  I think he's awful at what he does but I will say he's negative and sensationalisic about all consoles equally.