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CGI-Quality said:
Deyon said:
Arguments everywhere!! if you came here to say the graphics/fixed camara suck get the hell out and let us praise the suckiness.

Disolitude is one of the more technically sound guys on the site. I don't think he just came here to "s&^% on anyone's parade", but as a PC gamer, he's offering his take on why the visuals are so good. I agree and disagree with bits, but he's not even close to taking it too far. 

Well first of all thank you for the praise... :)

I want to make it clear that I am not taking anything away from Santa Monica studios. They know how to make gorgeous looking games and push console hardware to its limits. They are showing a fairly wide FOV in the latest GOW games and have some motion on the camera meaning they have to retain things in memory for a longer timeframe, so I don't think they are able to squeeze much more memory to work with compared to full 3D camera games. 10-15% more maybe... But this is enough to give them that extra umph! in terms of sharper textures, more elements on screen etc. 

The fact camera is static also gives them much more control over polishing the visuals. They are able to focus on what the player sees at any given point and time. If something doesn't look right, I'm sure they are able to see it and fix it.

At some point GOW has to let go of the fixed camera aspect, even if it happens on PS5 lol. It'll be very interesting to see how it will look when they give full control of the camera and visuals to the player rather than directing the scenery and visuals themselves.



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disolitude said:
CGI-Quality said:
Deyon said:
Arguments everywhere!! if you came here to say the graphics/fixed camara suck get the hell out and let us praise the suckiness.

Disolitude is one of the more technically sound guys on the site. I don't think he just came here to "s&^% on anyone's parade", but as a PC gamer, he's offering his take on why the visuals are so good. I agree and disagree with bits, but he's not even close to taking it too far. 

Well first of all thank you for the praise... :)

I want to make it clear that I am not taking anything away from Santa Monica studios. They know how to make gorgeous looking games and push console hardware to its limits. They are showing a fairly wide FOV in the latest GOW games and have some motion on the camera meaning they have to retain things in memory for a longer timeframe, so I don't think they are able to squeeze much more memory to work with compared to full 3D camera games. 10-15% more maybe... But this is enough to give them that extra umph! in terms of sharper textures, more elements on screen etc. 

The fact camera is static also gives them much more control over polishing the visuals. They are able to focus on what the player sees at any given point and time. If something doesn't look right, I'm sure they are able to see it and fix it.

At some point GOW has to let go of the fixed camera aspect, even if it happens on PS5 lol. It'll be very interesting to see how it will look when they give full control of the camera and visuals to the player rather than directing the scenery and visuals themselves.

I don't think anyone wants to let go of the fixed camera. 



Ohh great, from graphics to fixed camera, just because it's on a console you hate doesn't mean you can just dinosaur brush the hell out of it just to find a reason to bash it.



disolitude said:
CGI-Quality said:
Deyon said:
Arguments everywhere!! if you came here to say the graphics/fixed camara suck get the hell out and let us praise the suckiness.

Disolitude is one of the more technically sound guys on the site. I don't think he just came here to "s&^% on anyone's parade", but as a PC gamer, he's offering his take on why the visuals are so good. I agree and disagree with bits, but he's not even close to taking it too far. 

Well first of all thank you for the praise... :)

I want to make it clear that I am not taking anything away from Santa Monica studios. They know how to make gorgeous looking games and push console hardware to its limits. They are showing a fairly wide FOV in the latest GOW games and have some motion on the camera meaning they have to retain things in memory for a longer timeframe, so I don't think they are able to squeeze much more memory to work with compared to full 3D camera games. 10-15% more maybe... But this is enough to give them that extra umph! in terms of sharper textures, more elements on screen etc. 

The fact camera is static also gives them much more control over polishing the visuals. They are able to focus on what the player sees at any given point and time. If something doesn't look right, I'm sure they are able to see it and fix it.

At some point GOW has to let go of the fixed camera aspect, even if it happens on PS5 lol. It'll be very interesting to see how it will look when they give full control of the camera and visuals to the player rather than directing the scenery and visuals themselves.

That in my opinion is the real advantage of having a fixed camera. In Uncharted you can at any time squeeze the camera against a wall or look directly at the ground and see the textures fall apart. In GOW however they know exactly what resolution textures need to be at what times to make them look great without looking too great. That really frees up power because the game becomes so optimized.

I don't understand why the fixed camera needs to go though. Do you think 2D games like LittleBigPlanet and Super Smash Bros. need to go 3D at some point?



CGI-Quality said:
LilChicken22 said:
pezus said:
Nsanity said:
@pezus: Maybe LilChicken22 was talking about the environment textures?


No, he said "maybe textures [are the best] but the lighting isn't anything special". I was showing him some nice pics of the awesome lighting.

Textures especially on the characters are the best and also the lighting only on the characters. The textures and lighting of the environment are rushed as Nsanity shows.

I remember the doubt God of War III got with its early build(s). Man, how how mouths were silenced with the full release! And I wouldn't use what Nsanity showed as the best example of quality. That's an old picture, among other things.

OT: Detailed analysis as usal. Outside of, perhaps, Crysis 3, I fully expect Uncharted 3 to take the crown off and hand it to Ascension on March 12. Exciting times ahead.

...and then give it back to ND on May 7th...



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CGI-Quality said:
Deyon said:
Ohh great, from graphics to fixed camera, just because it's on a console you hate doesn't mean you can just dinosaur brush the hell out of it just to find a reason to bash it.

I still think you're looking at his point from the wrong angle (and in fact, his latest post puts his entire point in perspective). I get the need to defend this game, I have done it many times over with titles (PS3 exclusives, in particular), but there comes a time when you step back and realize that, despite the natural attatchment to biases as the human race, some things can be explained from a technical aspect.

good post, for instant for me if  gears of war 3/ or uncharted 3,  had AA like GOWA they would be the best looking games for me, the partical effects on gears of war 3 are the best this gen, too bad about the AA, can't wait for nextgen where we won't have this problem anymore.



CGI-Quality said:
ninjablade said:
thismeintiel said:
Can't wait for this game. Need another GOW fix after beating GOW3. I do find it funny how the PS3 is competing with itself for best graphics on a console. And if the PS4 rumors are correct, then next gen will be no different. Well, except a smaller price at launch.


didn't DF say halo 4 is up there with Ps3 best, i wonder why they didn't say best looking console game.

Because it can compete with the best, but, according to reviews, it wasn't quite the best. Uncharted 3 seems to have retained that. Still in the eye of the beholder, though.

What reviews said that? I've played all the best looking games on PS3 and Halo 4 is more impressive.

I'll never understand all the hype PS3 games get for their visuals on the interweb. Yet everyone IRL thinks those games look average.



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Mr Puggsly said:
CGI-Quality said:
ninjablade said:
thismeintiel said:
Can't wait for this game. Need another GOW fix after beating GOW3. I do find it funny how the PS3 is competing with itself for best graphics on a console. And if the PS4 rumors are correct, then next gen will be no different. Well, except a smaller price at launch.


didn't DF say halo 4 is up there with Ps3 best, i wonder why they didn't say best looking console game.

Because it can compete with the best, but, according to reviews, it wasn't quite the best. Uncharted 3 seems to have retained that. Still in the eye of the beholder, though.

What reviews said that? I've played all the best looking games on PS3 and Halo 4 is more impressive.

I'll never understand all the hype PS3 games get for their visuals on the interweb. Yet everyone IRL thinks those games look average.

The hell are you on about now? Everyone irl says Uncharted 3 looks average? You've talked to everyone irl or do you just talk to yourself and consider that to be everyone? LMAO no one said Halo 4 wasn't graphically impressive so quit your whining and stop downplaying PS3 exclusives for their graphics. They are all impressive in their own way.



Game looks good and is up there with the best of them.

But i can't see a major difference between this and the other big hitters

They also seem to have taken a hit frame rate wise...we looking at a steadfast 30FPS. Gameplay doesnt seem to budge past it apart from cutscenes and when the player loses control.

Yeah they can make improvements come release...but lets be realistic here. We are 6 years into the ps3's lifecycle and these guys have already taken the console to its limits...there really doesnt seem to be anymore performance left in the console. Im thinking we will see a slight improvement come release..nothing major.

Still one of the best looking console games this gen. Hell GOW3 could have simply re-released and it would still be one of the best looking console games this gen



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riderz13371 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

What reviews said that? I've played all the best looking games on PS3 and Halo 4 is more impressive.

I'll never understand all the hype PS3 games get for their visuals on the interweb. Yet everyone IRL thinks those games look average.

The hell are you on about now? Everyone irl says Uncharted 3 looks average? You've talked to everyone irl or do you just talk to yourself and consider that to be everyone? LMAO no one said Halo 4 wasn't graphically impressive so quite your whining and stop downplaying PS3 exclusives for their graphics. They are all impressive in their own way.


See, my previous comment was right. its always a competition with them. now they got Uncharted and Halo into the mix.