Cobretti2 said:



Lafiel said:

from what I read the Phillips pfl 9700 TVs (unfortunately I'm not sure if they are called the same in australia) are top class 2D and 3D full array LED-LCD TVs

but that's their top model line so it's pretty expensive

picture quality wise panasonic plasma TVs still seem to get the best ratings - they consume twice as much power as an LED-LCD, but usually are cheaper, so in the end both probably cost about the same after 5 or so years of usage

I saw a review giving the Panasonic TX-P50VT50 the best marks in both 2D and 3D quality (and a pretty bad mark in sound, but imo no flat TV can produce good sound, that's what I have my hifi system for).

As for active vs passive 3D, well both can work really really well, but passive 3D unfortunately has half the resolution per eye and even the best ones look interlaced in 3D mode, so personally I would only consider passive 3D in 4K TVs, as then you have atleast 1080 lines as opposed to measely 540 in the current TVs in 3D mode. If you are prone to headaches or eye strain with active shutterglasses then passive 3D might be the better choice though (and it's way less expensive to use that with several people at once as the passive glasses are dirt cheap).






ok ill have a look, although panasonic is a dying bread in aus as we seem to get less models compared to other brands.
yer not too concerned about sound as will use hifi system.
plasma is not an option as electricity costs here are high lol.

I would look into how much the power usage is actually going to affect your bill, i think you'll find its less than you think. With that in mind, do some reading and i think you'll find the Panasonic VT 50 and the new top of the line Sony are the pick of the bunch at the moment. Only question, are they in your price range.

p.s. If someone could link me through to the thread on how to quote properly from the the Wii U, it would be much appreciated.

He does have a point though. The local Mediamarkts/Saturns have walls of TV displays (often several of the same model), and basically no two screens look the same, and not one display looks axxeptably calibrated. From red to blue to green to almost no color, everything is there. I was discussing the fact with a representative of a (better/more expensive) japanese brand who happened to be there and it basically boils down to "people will buy everything as long as it is cheap".

Ah it's time to calibrate!

Good lord! I need to get one of those, or all of them.

@ Pezus

I'm saving this one!

Stay away from LED, despite what people tell you they are not good for movie's or games. I'd recommend getting a plasma from Panasonic, not only are Plasma sets cheaper than LED @ 46", they also have way better input lag, better blacks and better colour. If you wanna wait and have a bit of money to burn, then wait for OLED which is coming out this year.
Also, the whole burn in issue of the past is no longer true, Plasma sets this day and age won't burn in unless you have a static image for over 2 weeks, this is true if you buy a decent brand like Panasonic, Samsung, and LG. If you buy an el cheapo then you getting shite.

Just letting you know in Australia, what you will find will be edge lit LED TV, Edge lit TV's allow the TV's to be very thin, cuz thin TV's are all the rage but of course comprises were made to get them to be as thin as they are. The only brand I know to have back lit full array LED are Samsung low end TVs, the EH series (ES series are their premium edge lit TV's) The only premium back lit LED Samsung had was in 2009.

I'll clarify 3 points.

1. The 200hz bullshit you see on LED TV's are nothing more than image processing technique to increase the source frame rate, this unfortunately causes weird effects like making things appear to be 1.5x times faster, created haloing effects around moving characters. The key thing is that this 200hz option does not make the panel of the TV work any faster. some of the best TV's are still rated at about 6.5 millisecond response time.

2. Plasma TVs rated at 600hz sub field motion is indeed true, the way the plasma screen works, the pixels have to be refreshed constantly, and in this case it refreshes 600 times a second it's how the tech works which is why there is no option to turn off or on like the LED. Because of this these TV's have very low input lag, and very fast response to fast moving images. I was reading somewhere that Samsung's best plasmas had a response time of 0.1 milliseconds, big difference form LED.

3. Because of the above 2 points, Plasma TV's are by far the best option for 3D movie's and games.

At the end it's your choice what you buy, but personally I'd buy the best TV I can afford at the time that can provide me with the best picture quality with the lowest input lag. Keep in mind TV's are investment as usually they will be around for 5-10 years, so it makes sense to buy the best you can.

I personally have a 2008 Panasonic Plasma, funny enough it's image is still ahead of what even the best LED's can produce, my TV gets superseded only by other Plasmas but then again i've had my TV for about nearing 5 years. I may make the Jump to OLED once the first or second generation panels come out. OLED is the bastard child of Plasma and LED tech, in other words the best picture quality with the lowest input lag form Plasma with the thinness and low power consumption of LED.

welp that's my 2 cents on the matter :)

After seeing the 4k demo at Yodobashi Camera in Kyoto in December, I am holding off until I can afford a 4k TV to buy my next TV. It really makes a huge difference and is quite a large step up from 1080p.

Of course, content is an issue, and it probably will not affect gaming, even in the next batch of consoles.

Also, I am a little worried that older films will look "too good". It will look AMAZING for sports, documentaries, and newer films though.

Came here to say this. Don't know why people insist on paying more for less.

well my aim is to get OLED eventually, however atm it looks like a 55inch will cost $10K-$15K lol. Then there is also the whole ULTRAHD tvs, will the OLEDS be 4k?

So in the interim i thought id get a decent cheap  TV as the last time I baught a TV was when 26inch was considered standard size haha.

Just get an LG or Samsung TV. Both of those companies make extremely similar TV products, and sell at almost the same price. When it comes to deciding, just purchase the one that looks better.
Sony TV's are good, but always more expensive.

There will be 4K OLED TV's, but it'll take at least 2-4 years before we start seeing them. Keep in mind that OLED TV's aren't cheap to make so when they come out this year from both Samsung and LG (Sony/Panasonic OLEDS are questionable) they will be sold as premium products only, just LEDs were in 2009.

From what I know, the first Samsung OLEDS will be the series 9, they usually sell for like 10k Australian, the 2012 UA75ES9000 sold for the much as well. It'll take a couple of years for the prices to come down, It took LEDs about 3 years before the tech was available on even the lowest end TV's for a decent price.

So I predict the following:-

-This Year OLEDS will launch as premium 1080p TV sets, with 4K LEDS being slowly available.

-Depending market penetration of OLED and 4K we'll either start seeing 4K OLEDS in about 2-3 years time. At which stage OLED 1080p pannels should be cheap enough that even the lowest end sets may feature this tech.

The problem is that technology will keep progressing, my suggestion is either get a good Plasma set now, enjoy it for about 5 years, by then 4K OLEDS will be affordable plus 4K content will be more availble making the JUMP even easier, or jump in and get your self a 1st gen OLED this year.  So no need to put up with a shitty quality panel.