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So, I happened to finish the book, "when God talks back" about the subjective personal experience based evangelical Christianity, which has struck me as off in a number of ways.  Again, tying into the varying of opinions on things, that people have strong opinions over.

I am now reading the book "Too Big to Know": http://www.amazon.com/Too-Big-Know-Rethinking-Everywhere/dp/0465021425

Again, more on how we don't have facts we can nail down anymore, and pretty much due to the explosion of information, we are all close to being idiots in the big picture.  One part that I found interesting with the book is how people are agenda drive, and can end up pulling up anything on the Internet to argue their claims, and how have a loss of

Then I see the likes of Facebook I visit and more and more droning on walls, with people thinking these walls is actually having friends, when it looks like more of a narcisistic impulse to want to show yourself to the world and think people actually care, when they really don't.  It is more screaming one's views, discontents and so on, and hoping to get an audience.  Consider it amateur reality TV without the editing or video feeds of what is going on.

Then, I get on here, and forum posts, and see 180 disagreement over the future of the Wii U over the Nintendo Direct presentation.  

So, feel free to count this as a self-contradicting rant.  But I did want to see if anyone else gets fatigued by the Internet sometime and rambling of subjectivism backed by arrogant opinion holders?  Heck, count me as guilt as charged.

Anyhow, feel free to ignore this if you like, but if you get fatigued by it sometime, please feel free to speak up..



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I dant no wat yo tak abat.



Not really. Disagreement is cool and fun.

What does get on my tits is people who basically exist in echo chambers which just reinforce their existing opinions, only occasionally venturing out to blather their stupidity to others who don't necessarily agree. Then when their talking points are challenged for the first time ever and they don't know how to react to such an unthinkable turn of events, they just fall back on, "Well, that's just how I feel!" and toddle away as if that's any kind of fucking answer at all.



badgenome said:
Not really. Disagreement is cool and fun.

What does get on my tits is people who basically exist in echo chambers which just reinforce their existing opinions, only occasionally venturing out to blather their stupidity to others who don't necessarily agree. Then when their talking points are challenged for the first time ever and they don't know how to react to such an unthinkable turn of events, they just fall back on, "Well, that's just how I feel!" and toddle away as if that's any kind of fucking answer at all.


This sounds oddly familiar... reminiscence of the night I stole your virginity.



I am the black sheep     "of course I'm crazy, but that doesn't mean I'm wrong."-Robert Anton Wilson

hatmoza said:

This sounds oddly familiar... reminiscence of the night I stole your virginity.

It wasn't stealing if I gave it to you.



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badgenome said:
Not really. Disagreement is cool and fun.

What does get on my tits is people who basically exist in echo chambers which just reinforce their existing opinions, only occasionally venturing out to blather their stupidity to others who don't necessarily agree. Then when their talking points are challenged for the first time ever and they don't know how to react to such an unthinkable turn of events, they just fall back on, "Well, that's just how I feel!" and toddle away as if that's any kind of fucking answer at all.

Ok, I can tweak what I said to add what you said to it.  What I end up getting fatigued about also includes things like "XBox 720" which most people don't agree will be the name, adopted as such.  It isn't like a disagreeing of opinions also in an intelligent matter, to reach better views, but dogmatic certainty there, and also you can throw in an echo chamber where a few ideas that are plain stupid, get bantied about.  The Internet, which is supposed to provide diversity, ends up more likely to create bubbles, and it isn't just the disagreeing, but also the dogmatic certainty in this that leads to arguing and not discussing. 

Ok, I guess the short is to be less diplomatic, is I am getting fatigued by views I consider stupid and outright wrong, that keep getting droned on over and over.  But, I do feel need to balance a bit on there, because I could also be way off.



richardhutnik said:

The Internet, which is supposed to provide diversity, ends up more likely to create bubbles, and it isn't just the disagreeing, but also the dogmatic certainty in this that leads to arguing and not discussing.

I guess that's one way of looking at it. But it's kind of like people complaining about biased cable news: it's annoying in its own way, sure, but it also beats the much-romanticized alternative of old Uncle Walter giving you one side of the story and then signing off with an authoritative, "And that's the way it is!" In that kind of an environment, everyone was just inhabiting the same big bubble, but in reality they were no less given to false ideas than are people today with their multitude of smaller bubbles. Worse, they didn't even know the bubble existed. At least today anyone with one iota of self-awareness has to concede the fact that there is actually no "reality-based community" and it's not only everyone who disagrees with you who is wearing blinkers; we all do it to varying degrees.



This is not a new phenomenon. The easy access to information and social interactivity through the internet just makes it all more obvious than ever before.


In the end, we are all ignorant narcissists doing our best to enjoy life. People care about relatives and close friends because it makes them feel good, while not supporting them will make them feel bad about themselves. (Not to mention the direct losses of close social interactivity.) Humans are sympathetic by nature, after all. To different degrees, yes, but it's always there.

For the same reason some people refuse to 'gain' from others' suffering: If the fear of feeling bad afterwards outweighs the expected amount of 'gain', people will decide not to do it. That's why people who are less sympathetic towards other humans and other living beings sometimes will not hesitate to hurt others in exchange for things like money and power. The narcissist inside all of us want to feel as good as possible after a decision is made, no matter who we are. And Facebook does nothing but expose this narcissist more clearly than ever before.


And yes, we are all "idiots in the big picture" since we use the (always lacking) knowledge that we have to please ourselves (either direct or through pleasing others) as much as possible no matter what that knowledge actually consists of.



Or at least that's my ignorant view of things.



badgenome said:
richardhutnik said:

The Internet, which is supposed to provide diversity, ends up more likely to create bubbles, and it isn't just the disagreeing, but also the dogmatic certainty in this that leads to arguing and not discussing.

I guess that's one way of looking at it. But it's kind of like people complaining about biased cable news: it's annoying in its own way, sure, but it also beats the much-romanticized alternative of old Uncle Walter giving you one side of the story and then signing off with an authoritative, "And that's the way it is!" In that kind of an environment, everyone was just inhabiting the same big bubble, but in reality they were no less given to false ideas than are people today with their multitude of smaller bubbles. Worse, they didn't even know the bubble existed. At least today anyone with one iota of self-awareness has to concede the fact that there is actually no "reality-based community" and it's not only everyone who disagrees with you who is wearing blinkers; we all do it to varying degrees.

Maybe could classify this as a different issue that is somewhat connected, but would join the rant list.  Yes, with the Internet today, we end up being far more blinded to biases going on.  People can create their own info bubble and live in it.  End result now is that which used to be more marginalized, for good reason, has a place to air itself, and get a following.  And, with this, you have a lost of common manners and etiquette, and way to be called back you might be nuts.  What I saw in the Giffords shooting aftermath, and also the directly contacting individuals in the Connecticut shooting area and calling them stooges on the government payroll as paid actors, is disgraceful.  

What happens then when the bubbles meet with the blinders is NOT that people adjust.  What happens is they end up yelling at each other larger, and usually reach a conclusion not to engage.

I think I need to read more of "Too Big to Know" to see more on what is going on.  Early read makes it a recommended read at this point.



It's called bullshitting and mankind has been doing it since the discovery of fire.

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