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Amazing that he can make threads like that, yet comes and locks my Forza thread discussing the shrinking fanbase with charts and numbers (you know, facts) supporting my analysis.



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Kantor said:
KHlover said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:

is this in website issues? you are to smart for me to answer this one. it seems some mods are unclear on this. i think a mod should be asked before making that kind of thread.

 

Well, he stated he DID message the mods but hasn't received an answer.

I certainly didn't receive any such message, and I am 90% sure that no other mod did either, because they would have mentioned it.

Regardless, I think that's a pretty clear signal not to go ahead with the thread.

I reported Rols thread twice and asked.  I know somebody had to have seen that because everytime I report a thread a mod comes immediately and answers my question or locks my threads.




       

Kantor said:
riderz13371 said:
One word (Green_Sky said it) - Reputation.

I guess being a long time VGChartz user means you don't have to follow the rules.

Actually, it's in the rules. Rule 2 to be precise.


New Users. Because new users have not yet shown a commitment to civil discourse, moderators will look more harshly upon them (and upon prolific rule-breakers) than established users with relatively clear moderation histories. If you are a long-time member of the site, it is easy to tell the difference between a light-hearted, humorous post, and a genuine piece of flamebait. This distinction is far less clear when you are a new user, so we advise caution.

 

Trust me when I say that it is impossible to judge all people based on equal criteria because either you allow through every troll post and thread ever made, or you completely ban all forms of humour. Can you please explain what is wrong with this system without bringing in individual examples with which you are personally involved?

What's wrong with the system? What's wrong is that Rol and Gal are clearly attacking the "unbiased review" thing that Jaywood runs and mods overlook it as if he is being sarcastic and is joking around. Sure you might thing it's just sarcasm but what about Jay who has worked hard to build up a userbase who put up reviews for people to read or what about the reviewers who are being mocked and laughed at because they put the hard work into writing a review which people can choose to read or not. It's not funny unless everyone is laughing. Yeah I understand that our reviews are obviously not "unbiased" but we do our best to not praise/hate on a game because it's made by a certain developer or it's from a certain franchise, I don't need someone to tell me that our reviews are somewhat biased when it's obvious. This really irritates me.



riderz13371 said:
Kantor said:
riderz13371 said:
One word (Green_Sky said it) - Reputation.

I guess being a long time VGChartz user means you don't have to follow the rules.

Actually, it's in the rules. Rule 2 to be precise.


New Users. Because new users have not yet shown a commitment to civil discourse, moderators will look more harshly upon them (and upon prolific rule-breakers) than established users with relatively clear moderation histories. If you are a long-time member of the site, it is easy to tell the difference between a light-hearted, humorous post, and a genuine piece of flamebait. This distinction is far less clear when you are a new user, so we advise caution.

 

Trust me when I say that it is impossible to judge all people based on equal criteria because either you allow through every troll post and thread ever made, or you completely ban all forms of humour. Can you please explain what is wrong with this system without bringing in individual examples with which you are personally involved?

What's wrong with the system? What's wrong is that Rol and Gal are clearly attacking the "unbiased review" thing that Jaywood runs and mods overlook it as if he is being sarcastic and is joking around. Sure you might thing it's just sarcasm but what about Jay who has worked hard to build up a userbase who put up reviews for people to read or what about the reviewers who are being mocked and laughed at because they put the hard work into writing a review which people can choose to read or not. It's not funny unless everyone is laughing. Yeah I understand that our reviews are obviously not "unbiased" but we do our best to not praise/hate on a game because it's made by a certain developer or it's from a certain franchise, I don't need some arrogant prick to tell me that our reviews are unbiased, a monkey could have figured it out. This really irritates me.

Edit your last sentence two sentences before you get banned again O.o hurry lol

EDIT:  Anyways it doesn't bother me that people want to pick on the name "Unbiased Review".  It is easy to pick on so I cant be upset about that lol




       

If it's even slightly a criticism of Nintendo it's trolling.

If it's anti-Sony it's flaming.

If it's anti-Nintendo it's a permaban

If it's pro-Microsoft it's trolling, flaming and a permaban.



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JayWood2010 said:
Kantor said:

Actually, it's in the rules. Rule 2 to be precise.


New Users. Because new users have not yet shown a commitment to civil discourse, moderators will look more harshly upon them (and upon prolific rule-breakers) than established users with relatively clear moderation histories. If you are a long-time member of the site, it is easy to tell the difference between a light-hearted, humorous post, and a genuine piece of flamebait. This distinction is far less clear when you are a new user, so we advise caution.

 

Trust me when I say that it is impossible to judge all people based on equal criteria because either you allow through every troll post and thread ever made, or you completely ban all forms of humour. Can you please explain what is wrong with this system without bringing in individual examples with which you are personally involved?

yes I can say what is wrong with this system.  Everybody should have the same rules applied to them regardless of how long they have been here.  It sets a bad example for new users and in my opinion makes this site looks bad at times.  so should i be able to speed in car in real life because cops have known me longer and that I haven't had a bad reputation?  No becuase it is still dangerous.  Same goes to this rule. If one person cant do it then why the others?  

You will certainly get a harsher sentence as somebody with a record of reckless driving.

But that's not the point. Posting threads is entirely about intent. There is no possible benign intent when you are driving a car.

Intent is a lot clearer for an established member with no record of trolling, both for us and for other users.

But more importantly in this case, the damage done by a thread is the flamewar that ensues from it, and the space it takes up that could be used for better threads. A thread which is genuinely amusing causes no flamewar and wastes no space.

Is that necessarily going to be one made by somebody accustomed to making those sorts of threads? No. But there's a very strong correlation.



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Kantor said:
JayWood2010 said:
Kantor said:

Actually, it's in the rules. Rule 2 to be precise.


New Users. Because new users have not yet shown a commitment to civil discourse, moderators will look more harshly upon them (and upon prolific rule-breakers) than established users with relatively clear moderation histories. If you are a long-time member of the site, it is easy to tell the difference between a light-hearted, humorous post, and a genuine piece of flamebait. This distinction is far less clear when you are a new user, so we advise caution.

 

Trust me when I say that it is impossible to judge all people based on equal criteria because either you allow through every troll post and thread ever made, or you completely ban all forms of humour. Can you please explain what is wrong with this system without bringing in individual examples with which you are personally involved?

yes I can say what is wrong with this system.  Everybody should have the same rules applied to them regardless of how long they have been here.  It sets a bad example for new users and in my opinion makes this site looks bad at times.  so should i be able to speed in car in real life because cops have known me longer and that I haven't had a bad reputation?  No becuase it is still dangerous.  Same goes to this rule. If one person cant do it then why the others?  

You will certainly get a harsher sentence as somebody with a record of reckless driving.

But that's not the point. Posting threads is entirely about intent. There is no possible benign intent when you are driving a car.

Intent is a lot clearer for an established member with no record of trolling, both for us and for other users.

But more importantly in this case, the damage done by a thread is the flamewar that ensues from it, and the space it takes up that could be used for better threads. A thread which is genuinely amusing causes no flamewar and wastes no space.

Is that necessarily going to be one made by somebody accustomed to making those sorts of threads? No. But there's a very strong correlation.

So how is Rols thread not allowing a flamewar by taking a Sony title vs a Nintendo title saying one is horrible and the other is amazing?  Wouldn't that technically be a problem all on one? 




       

kain_kusanagi said:
If it's even slightly a criticism of Nintendo it's trolling.

If it's anti-Sony it's flaming.

If it's anti-Nintendo it's a permaban

If it's pro-Microsoft it's trolling, flaming and a permaban.

I've noticed this the most (of course not a perm ban but it's more likely for you to get banned if you say anything bad about Nintendo).



Brb preparing my Halo 4 vs random iOS shooter thread.



Kantor said:
JayWood2010 said:
Kantor said:

Actually, it's in the rules. Rule 2 to be precise.


New Users. Because new users have not yet shown a commitment to civil discourse, moderators will look more harshly upon them (and upon prolific rule-breakers) than established users with relatively clear moderation histories. If you are a long-time member of the site, it is easy to tell the difference between a light-hearted, humorous post, and a genuine piece of flamebait. This distinction is far less clear when you are a new user, so we advise caution.

 

Trust me when I say that it is impossible to judge all people based on equal criteria because either you allow through every troll post and thread ever made, or you completely ban all forms of humour. Can you please explain what is wrong with this system without bringing in individual examples with which you are personally involved?

yes I can say what is wrong with this system.  Everybody should have the same rules applied to them regardless of how long they have been here.  It sets a bad example for new users and in my opinion makes this site looks bad at times.  so should i be able to speed in car in real life because cops have known me longer and that I haven't had a bad reputation?  No becuase it is still dangerous.  Same goes to this rule. If one person cant do it then why the others?  

You will certainly get a harsher sentence as somebody with a record of reckless driving.

But that's not the point. Posting threads is entirely about intent. There is no possible benign intent when you are driving a car.

Intent is a lot clearer for an established member with no record of trolling, both for us and for other users.

But more importantly in this case, the damage done by a thread is the flamewar that ensues from it, and the space it takes up that could be used for better threads. A thread which is genuinely amusing causes no flamewar and wastes no space.

Is that necessarily going to be one made by somebody accustomed to making those sorts of threads? No. But there's a very strong correlation.

So Rol's thread didn't create a flamewar? Really....? I mean....really?! What the...