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'Keep in mind that Kinect 2.0 is packed-in to the Next XBox so as a result Xbox 720 sales will suffer. People won't see the need to upgrade. Their current Xbox and Kinect already have all the important apps such as Netflix and Hulu Plus. Microsoft simply cannot market this machine as a multi-media center and expect people to flock to it.'

There's only one solution if your scenario does play out as you have suggested. They did it last gen and I can see them doing it this gen too. Drop the 360 entirely.



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Soundwave said:I was talking about credibility with the "hardcore crowd". I think you'd have to be in serious, serious denial to say the XBox brand doesn't carry much more credibility with this crowd. 

A few people will cry over Kinect, but MS' core audience is the hardcore player, so no one's going to freak out if they devote some resources to appealling to a wider, more mainstream audience as well. 

Really MS is looking at Apple, the Japanese companies, Nintendo and Sony are clueless and small potatoes in comparision a lot of ways. MS has to pay attention to what Apple is doing too, because all reports have Apple massing for a major assualt on the living room in 2013. XBox 720 will be MS' answer to Apple's iTV as well as being just a game console. 

I don't really look at the DS as a hardcore platform in the West. It has virtually zero major Western support and its third party sales outside of kids-centric brands are beyond mediocre. The top selling 3DS third party game in North America is Angry Birds, no other third party game has sold more than 400k, even Resident Evil flopped on the system. 


Yeah I see where your coming from. But it wasn't only 'kids games' that were successful on ds. Yes a lot were but you need to look at the bigger picture. A lot of other games sold in the hundreds of thousands and millions even. It isn't about who can pump the most sales figures. The ds library had something for everybody. I believe it had the best library of the generation and it can easily hold the title for best handheld ever.

As for western developers they tend to develop primarily for consoles. They never dedicate a lot of resources to handhelds as they always go for the more 'cinema games' style. Handhelds are for quick and fun games which are easy to pick up and play. Resident evil didn't really bomb. 600, 000 is a good number. You could argue it underperformed outside of japan. It probably sold enough to make profit since 3ds isn't really as expensive to develop for as the others. Its also a number that more 'hardcore' games aren't even close to touching on the handheld that is supposedly targeted at that audience. Overall people would rather play games like that on consoles.



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Gribble said:
'Keep in mind that Kinect 2.0 is packed-in to the Next XBox so as a result Xbox 720 sales will suffer. People won't see the need to upgrade. Their current Xbox and Kinect already have all the important apps such as Netflix and Hulu Plus. Microsoft simply cannot market this machine as a multi-media center and expect people to flock to it.'

There's only one solution if your scenario does play out as you have suggested. They did it last gen and I can see them doing it this gen too. Drop the 360 entirely.


Lol, didn't they drop the original Xbox becuase of some legal stuff? And not an identity crisis? 

And I dont think the 720 is going to suffer b/c of the 360 and its possible identity crisis. You know, just like everybody else that MS' strong point is advertisement. Plus the majority of people are going to buy consoles  ae in it for the games.. not multimedia features lol.

 

If this post doesn't make sense, I would like you to know that I just woke up and cannot think very straight. Thanks  



Yay!!!

I know a secret about illumiroom that will blow your minds and pretty much be a showstopper to anyone who doubts the quality of genius that Microsoft brings to the table.




First, you must understand that Kinect is a financial success, and Kinect 2.0 will bring a stereoscopic experience with higher sensitivity and motion tracking capabilities. This allows Kinect to spatially recognize your environment and can calculate your exact position.

Second,
When you watch the illumiroom level, you see it operating with several different games. How did they do this? Did they go back to the game company and say, "Hey can you rebuild your entire graphics engine to output a 1080p signal + another 720p of overlayed graphics from a completely different camera angle?"
Nope.

The way illumiroom works is that it utilized Microsoft's own software (SDK) to access the 3D world that is being rendered. It then uses your Kinect 2.0 information to calculate what the camera angle would be (just like light source or camera) to show the same projected image over your room - your monitor (which I'm assuming you have to input the size).

This means that developers really don't have to do anything different to introduce a completely new experience/revolutionary feature to their customers.

For Microsoft it means that they may build/create their own projector (low resolution for the sole purpose of augmented reality menu's). Just like Kinect this device too will be a financial success. Perhaps LED DLP tech with a wide throw mirror. Since the next Xbox outputs at 4k resolution, this would be a great add on to 1080P Tv's to get a richer experience with 4k content without having to shell out 2500 for a 4k TV (This price point is for 2014, it's about pixel density issues as to why smaller displays (in the 30-60 inch range will have more difficult yields leading to premium pricing) There is a price point where $299 seems like a steal to better experience 4k. Check out wikipedia to see how much larger the 4k format is resolution wise. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4K_resolution

Going back to Windows 8, we may see Microsoft offer a business version of the xbox with kinect 2.0. More focused on niche uses such as presentation rooms (access sky drive for showing power points) productivity and content creation apps (A virtual whiteboard or second screen for a Windows 8 PC)


Microsoft is crafting a killer strategy to shift into Apple's model in markets where Apple still does not have dominance. Further more, it's Microsoft web services/API/Azure platforms that are domain expertise that cannot be duplicated by Sony or Nintendo, despite them trying desperately to cobble together those networking infrastructures and capabilities with services from start-ups in the valley. Unfortunately those cobbled together offerings won't be able to compete.

Sony and Nvidia's relationship has soured since the former dropped the latter in the bidding war of putting together a cheap console (Not a whisper about Cell and the 4 billion dollars sony dropped into a failed architecture) Sony is going X86 and running Linux on the PS4, albeit not an open one. Nvidia is going to make a real play for handheld gaming that rivals console experiences, and it will be bringing what we experience today into our pockets.



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dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

No, its a flop. Making games for the sake of making games may please you, but the majority of PS3 gamers yawn (by not buying them). I think that thought rocks you to the core so you pretend its all "diGitalZ sales!!". PS3 gamers are notorious for not caring about digital as much as 360 gamers do. Minecrfat sells 5 million yet Journey can't even break 1 million. Cmon.

MS is focused on many things. Why does it have to be 100/0 ratios with you people? Games are always a necessity, but now MS is expanding in the media hub and casual sector as well. Thing is, when your successful, you exand.

You just tell me your selfish, that you want your console to cater to you and only you. Other demographics are beneath you. As long as you get your fix, no matter how badly most of their games sell, as long as YOUR happy right? Ill never understand a PS fan.

Minecraft had been huge on PC for YEARS prior to releasing a version on the Xbox 360. Comparing it to Journey is completely inane. Then again, you aren't one to know what a rational argument looks like.

If anything, the fact that its been available elsewhere for a year would suggest lower sales on 360, as is true with all "sloppy second ports". Also Journey has had much critical acclaim and awards, so your counter is moot.



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VGKing said:
sales2099 said:
VGKing said:

1) Casual gamers don't buy as much software as core gamers.

2) Some recent Kinect releases have done well and older games are still selling.

3) As long as core gamers get software they enjoy, they'll be happy. It doesn't have to be 1st party software. Bear in mind the best selling games PS3 and 360 are not new IPs.

4) Arguing about rumors is a complete waste of time.

5) Since Kinect uses the console hardware for resources, the current Kienct could actually perform better on MS's new console. Kinect hacks on the PC are more impressive than what we've seen on the 360.

6) Sony has focused on a lot of games and what do they have to show for it in 2012? A lot of flops. People are primarily buying 3rd party games that aren't exclusives. If MS isn't focused on games than I'm confused why their 2012 lineup was arguably better than Sony and Nintendo.

7) You're under the illusion that MS isn't focused on games, yet you ignore the 360 is a total package. Great games, it has the most streaming services, and it has a low price point. Perhaps you should be giving credit where its due.

1. Just Dance says hi.

2. Such as?

3. It does have to be first party. No sane publisher would release an exclusive title next-gen, unless they are payed a whole lot of money.

4. No one asked you to participate.

5. Pretty sure they're developing a new Kinect and games made for Kinect 2 won't be playable with Kinect 1.

6. You call it a flop, I call it building a fanbase. Not all games can sell millions. Sony exclusives in particular have great legs and you forget that all these "Flops" were released on PSN as well and open up the possibility for Sony to offer them as free PS+ downloads.

7. Microsoft ISN"T focused on games. The last 2 E3 press conferences are proof of that. They are focused on services. They had a great line-up last year with Halo and Forza...but then again they had the same the year before. Where is the variety? Where are the risks? I see them taking risks just not where they should be.

No, its a flop. Making games for the sake of making games may please you, but the majority of PS3 gamers yawn (by not buying them). I think that thought rocks you to the core so you pretend its all "diGitalZ sales!!". PS3 gamers are notorious for not caring about digital as much as 360 gamers do. Minecrfat sells 5 million yet Journey can't even break 1 million. Cmon.

MS is focused on many things. Why does it have to be 100/0 ratios with you people? Games are always a necessity, but now MS is expanding in the media hub and casual sector as well. Thing is, when your successful, you exand.

You just tell me your selfish, that you want your console to cater to you and only you. Other demographics are beneath you. As long as you get your fix, no matter how badly most of their games sell, as long as YOUR happy right? Ill never understand a PS fan.

@ bold
LMFAO! Did I ever say that?  No. Go re-read my post.

@ italics
It doesn't have to be 100/0 and I never said it was. And what do you mean "you people"? Don't answer that because I already know. Reported.

lol your sensitivity in grounds for reporting is funny. "You people" is harmlessly refrerring to PS fans.



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sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

No, its a flop. Making games for the sake of making games may please you, but the majority of PS3 gamers yawn (by not buying them). I think that thought rocks you to the core so you pretend its all "diGitalZ sales!!". PS3 gamers are notorious for not caring about digital as much as 360 gamers do. Minecrfat sells 5 million yet Journey can't even break 1 million. Cmon.

MS is focused on many things. Why does it have to be 100/0 ratios with you people? Games are always a necessity, but now MS is expanding in the media hub and casual sector as well. Thing is, when your successful, you exand.

You just tell me your selfish, that you want your console to cater to you and only you. Other demographics are beneath you. As long as you get your fix, no matter how badly most of their games sell, as long as YOUR happy right? Ill never understand a PS fan.

Minecraft had been huge on PC for YEARS prior to releasing a version on the Xbox 360. Comparing it to Journey is completely inane. Then again, you aren't one to know what a rational argument looks like.

If anything, the fact that its been available elsewhere for a year would suggest lower sales on 360, as is true with all "sloppy second ports". Also Journey has had much critical acclaim and awards, so your counter is moot.

Swing and a miss, Sales. As per usual.

Case in point: Mass Effect 2 on PS3 years later - 1.22m

Not to mention PC Minecraft sales double X360 sales. 



Raze said:
dsgrue3 said:
Raze said:
I see the 720 being 1st or 2nd, Nintendo will find a way to recover before launch and secure either 1st or 2nd. PS4 will come in 3rd, with a smaller market needing a combo system (like Wii owners owning a PS3)combined with a higher price tag as Sony is known for.

Oh look, another person who is opposed to facing the reality that is the low sales of Wii U. In a few years, I'll return to laugh at this post.

Please do. Recent history has proven a similar trend. The 3DS got off to a subpar start, and if I remember, even the DS took a while to ramp up. I don't recall the 3DS having a good first 6 months, and everyone said it was dead in the water too. History tends to repeat itself.

History is meaningless in the console industry. The Nintendo Wii proved that, the Xbox 360 proved that, the PS3 proved that. Your "history" is nothing but cherry picking and wishful thinking.

By the way, the DS/3DS never dropped to 50k per week in year 1.



dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:
dsgrue3 said:
sales2099 said:

No, its a flop. Making games for the sake of making games may please you, but the majority of PS3 gamers yawn (by not buying them). I think that thought rocks you to the core so you pretend its all "diGitalZ sales!!". PS3 gamers are notorious for not caring about digital as much as 360 gamers do. Minecrfat sells 5 million yet Journey can't even break 1 million. Cmon.

MS is focused on many things. Why does it have to be 100/0 ratios with you people? Games are always a necessity, but now MS is expanding in the media hub and casual sector as well. Thing is, when your successful, you exand.

You just tell me your selfish, that you want your console to cater to you and only you. Other demographics are beneath you. As long as you get your fix, no matter how badly most of their games sell, as long as YOUR happy right? Ill never understand a PS fan.

Minecraft had been huge on PC for YEARS prior to releasing a version on the Xbox 360. Comparing it to Journey is completely inane. Then again, you aren't one to know what a rational argument looks like.

If anything, the fact that its been available elsewhere for a year would suggest lower sales on 360, as is true with all "sloppy second ports". Also Journey has had much critical acclaim and awards, so your counter is moot.

Swing and a miss, Sales. As per usual.

Case in point: Mass Effect 2 on PS3 years later - 1.22m

Not to mention PC Minecraft sales double X360 sales. 

I cant miss because Im 2nd place. Your 3rd. So I win anyways.

ME 2 360 sales.......2.95 million.

In the end, doesnt change 360 gamers digital buying habits, and for all the awards and acclaim Journey gets, it can't even crack 1 million. If that cant break a milestone, then I dont know if any PSN game can ever do that. XBLA has had million sellers for over 5 years.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.