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Lingyis on 02 February 2008

for all they've said about not wanting to ride the cyclical nature of the video console business, they've done precious little to expand out of it. in japan they do seem to be pretty proactive though, with all these applications for DS they're planning on.

of course, we're all hoping iwata has something BIG up his sleeves.

in video games, is miyamoto holding them back? his deity-like status means if he doesn't like something, it gets shot down, period. i'd rather miyamoto just work on the ideas he loves and not veto ideas he won't be a part of anyway.



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Kasz216 on 03 February 2008
starcraft said:
darconi said:
starcraft said:
 

Funny, but I could have sworn that Mario was Nintendo's flagship character and that this game's profits were meant to be split down the middle with Nintendo. I also could have sworn that Capcom's mega-profits were coming from Dead Rising, DMC 4 and Lost Planet, rather than the commercial flop that was Zack and Wiki. Furthermore, I could have sworn that Ubisoft's massive profits were coming from the success of Naruto and above all Assassin's Creed.

You did not say anything to refute the fact that Sony and MS are turning a profit. I sincerely hope you don't try too, as all i need to do to comprehensively refute you is post their quarterly reports. Nowhere do I say that developers "aren't" making money of the 360, you said that and offered nothing to back it up. I argue quite the contrary, and the sales figures support me.

I've never really had much to do with you on these boards, but a quick glance made me wonder why everyone accuses you of being a rabid fangirl devoid of any logic or realism. I wonder no more, as your solution to any argument your losing is to dance around with word games and simply state that you have "put arguments in their place" after really doing nothing of the sort.


Wow, I never realized how badly of a fanboy and fact cherry picker you are. That paragraph was just so blindly ignorant. You focused on Z&W, the one wii game capcom has not done outstanding with and even that is on pace to be very successful with European results (low budget game=low sales to break even). You completely ignore RE4 and RE:UC with both have wildly broken past Capcom's expectations of 420k and 600k sales and are going on strong. They will make more money off of those than the other games you have mentioned. Profit does not depend completely on total final sale numbers.

And you also ignore Ubisoft crediting the wii with their profit during the launch year when they made million sellers of RRR and Red Steel. The fact that they didn't release any significant games so far this year on the wii is the reason they haven't made money on it.

And comparing NHM to Crackdown? How stupid can you be? Killer7, the precedessor to NHM sold less than 40k on the PS2! Does that really inspire you to say it should be a million seller?


Actually if you read the post before this one I mentioned million sellers including RE, but stated that it is already on other platforms, where it is highly profitable. I also as part of my million sellers comment address RRR AND Red Steel, when I claimed that two of the Wii's third-party million sellers were shooters, and discussed the sequel to RRR. Speaking of cherry-picking, its funny you should mention RRR and in the same breath claim Ubisoft didn't release any significant games since then, ignoring the shocker that was RRR2!

As for NMH and crackdown? It takes only lowball intelligence to realise that I was talking about the content and style of the games, and THEN making a sales comparision. Even if I haden't been, are you saying that Killer 7 bombing on the PS2 justifies NMH bombing on the Wii.

Perhaps next time you will read and think before you give an extremely trollish and one-sided comment that accuses someone of being both stupid and a fanboy.


I would actually bet money that No More Heroes and Zack and Wiki are actually both profitable.

If you play No More Heroes you'll realize it's nothing like Manhunt and nothing like most "gorefest" games.  Your core person who just likes mature games because they are mature games won't like No More Heroes.

They just wouldn't get it. 



ClaudeLv250 on 03 February 2008
starcraft said:
ItsaMii said:
starcraft said:
@ GGE

So what you are saying is that developers should be resigned to the fact that they cannot make a profit, but be content to barely stay afloat by existing only on the Wii? No More Heroes, a VERY high quality game just debuted with 40,000 on the Wii. It will not turn a profit. The most comparable game on the 360, Crackdown, is a million seller.

How many developer's have to complain that they cannot profit off the Wii before people like you take notice? I purchased a Wii for ONE reason. Nintendo's first-party franchises.

You can keep accusing everyone of having no logic, you can keep accusing everyone of dodging facts, but at the end of the day you do not have a coherent argument based in anything remotely resembling reality. Businesses do not exist to survive (in any case many could not if their development was confined to the Wii), they exist to make money.

What a dishonest argument. You know that Ubisoft under shipped NMH copies at launch? Have you played the damn game at least? It is not that high quality as you say (technical standpoint). I love the game and would love to see more games like that, but the graphics are not anything to be proud about. The game is niche and low budget. Another issue is that Crackdown comparison. What if NMH came with a SSBB demo, would it sell a million like crackdown?

I would bet that it will make a big profit and will be Suda 51 best selling game ever (untill now).

I do not want to start a "which console is better" discussion, but you are making some lame comparisons. Would Zack and Wiki or NMH sold better on the 360? I do not see its userbase buying high budget high quality games like Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odissey (it is Japan only, so you can ignore this one). Even Orange Box sales are a little dissapointing. I think you should not just make some clueless claims that 3rd parties do not sell well on the Wii based on 2 niche low budget titles.


The game is not currently available where I live, and yet every review I read claims that it has reasonably high production values.  Also, I distinctly remember Crackdown ranking high on the Xbox Live lists well BEFORE the Halo 3 Beta, so that debunks that argument.  As for Blue Dragon, ES and Lost Odyssey, have you seen their Japanese attach rates?  Want to compare it to NMH's Japanese attach rate? Hell, even comparing raw sales they beat it.  The Xbox 360 is regularly called the shooter console, and yet Blue Dragon can sell over 200,000 copies in the West.  In any case, BD and LO are both first party titles and ES's development was funded by MS.  My argument is that THIRD PARTIES can make a better profit on the 360.

The Xbox 360 is not a shooter console anymore, but third party RPG's and shooters can make massive profit (and they are).  But the "casual" Wii console, only makes money for first-party casual games, with the exception of guitar hero which is available with better graphics and online support on both other consoles.  

How about instead of simply criticising me, you point to the third parties that are making MORE profit off the Wii than the 360 (and to a lesser extent the PS3 I guess), rather than just toeing GGE's line? 

So you're going to ignore that all 3 infinitely more expensive and infinitely more hyped games flopped in Japan by using attach rates for a console that similarly flopped there? Good argument.

 

 



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starcraft on 03 February 2008
ClaudeLv250 said:
starcraft said:
ItsaMii said:
starcraft said:
@ GGE

So what you are saying is that developers should be resigned to the fact that they cannot make a profit, but be content to barely stay afloat by existing only on the Wii? No More Heroes, a VERY high quality game just debuted with 40,000 on the Wii. It will not turn a profit. The most comparable game on the 360, Crackdown, is a million seller.

How many developer's have to complain that they cannot profit off the Wii before people like you take notice? I purchased a Wii for ONE reason. Nintendo's first-party franchises.

You can keep accusing everyone of having no logic, you can keep accusing everyone of dodging facts, but at the end of the day you do not have a coherent argument based in anything remotely resembling reality. Businesses do not exist to survive (in any case many could not if their development was confined to the Wii), they exist to make money.

What a dishonest argument. You know that Ubisoft under shipped NMH copies at launch? Have you played the damn game at least? It is not that high quality as you say (technical standpoint). I love the game and would love to see more games like that, but the graphics are not anything to be proud about. The game is niche and low budget. Another issue is that Crackdown comparison. What if NMH came with a SSBB demo, would it sell a million like crackdown?

I would bet that it will make a big profit and will be Suda 51 best selling game ever (untill now).

I do not want to start a "which console is better" discussion, but you are making some lame comparisons. Would Zack and Wiki or NMH sold better on the 360? I do not see its userbase buying high budget high quality games like Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odissey (it is Japan only, so you can ignore this one). Even Orange Box sales are a little dissapointing. I think you should not just make some clueless claims that 3rd parties do not sell well on the Wii based on 2 niche low budget titles.


The game is not currently available where I live, and yet every review I read claims that it has reasonably high production values. Also, I distinctly remember Crackdown ranking high on the Xbox Live lists well BEFORE the Halo 3 Beta, so that debunks that argument. As for Blue Dragon, ES and Lost Odyssey, have you seen their Japanese attach rates? Want to compare it to NMH's Japanese attach rate? Hell, even comparing raw sales they beat it. The Xbox 360 is regularly called the shooter console, and yet Blue Dragon can sell over 200,000 copies in the West. In any case, BD and LO are both first party titles and ES's development was funded by MS. My argument is that THIRD PARTIES can make a better profit on the 360.

The Xbox 360 is not a shooter console anymore, but third party RPG's and shooters can make massive profit (and they are). But the "casual" Wii console, only makes money for first-party casual games, with the exception of guitar hero which is available with better graphics and online support on both other consoles.

How about instead of simply criticising me, you point to the third parties that are making MORE profit off the Wii than the 360 (and to a lesser extent the PS3 I guess), rather than just toeing GGE's line?

So you're going to ignore that all 3 infinitely more expensive and infinitely more hyped games flopped in Japan by using attach rates for a console that similarly flopped there? Good argument.

 

 

 

Actually if you had cared to read just two lines more of my post, you would have found my argument.  You would have realised that mentioning those three games was merely a response to ItsAMii's post, and you would have realised that as first-party titles they dont in any way pertain to the argument I was making, which is indeed, a good argument. 

Furthermore, you might want to track down a dictionary and school yourself in the meaning of the word infinite. 



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ClaudeLv250 on 03 February 2008
starcraft said:
ClaudeLv250 said:
starcraft said:
ItsaMii said:
starcraft said:
@ GGE

So what you are saying is that developers should be resigned to the fact that they cannot make a profit, but be content to barely stay afloat by existing only on the Wii? No More Heroes, a VERY high quality game just debuted with 40,000 on the Wii. It will not turn a profit. The most comparable game on the 360, Crackdown, is a million seller.

How many developer's have to complain that they cannot profit off the Wii before people like you take notice? I purchased a Wii for ONE reason. Nintendo's first-party franchises.

You can keep accusing everyone of having no logic, you can keep accusing everyone of dodging facts, but at the end of the day you do not have a coherent argument based in anything remotely resembling reality. Businesses do not exist to survive (in any case many could not if their development was confined to the Wii), they exist to make money.

What a dishonest argument. You know that Ubisoft under shipped NMH copies at launch? Have you played the damn game at least? It is not that high quality as you say (technical standpoint). I love the game and would love to see more games like that, but the graphics are not anything to be proud about. The game is niche and low budget. Another issue is that Crackdown comparison. What if NMH came with a SSBB demo, would it sell a million like crackdown?

I would bet that it will make a big profit and will be Suda 51 best selling game ever (untill now).

I do not want to start a "which console is better" discussion, but you are making some lame comparisons. Would Zack and Wiki or NMH sold better on the 360? I do not see its userbase buying high budget high quality games like Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odissey (it is Japan only, so you can ignore this one). Even Orange Box sales are a little dissapointing. I think you should not just make some clueless claims that 3rd parties do not sell well on the Wii based on 2 niche low budget titles.


The game is not currently available where I live, and yet every review I read claims that it has reasonably high production values. Also, I distinctly remember Crackdown ranking high on the Xbox Live lists well BEFORE the Halo 3 Beta, so that debunks that argument. As for Blue Dragon, ES and Lost Odyssey, have you seen their Japanese attach rates? Want to compare it to NMH's Japanese attach rate? Hell, even comparing raw sales they beat it. The Xbox 360 is regularly called the shooter console, and yet Blue Dragon can sell over 200,000 copies in the West. In any case, BD and LO are both first party titles and ES's development was funded by MS. My argument is that THIRD PARTIES can make a better profit on the 360.

The Xbox 360 is not a shooter console anymore, but third party RPG's and shooters can make massive profit (and they are). But the "casual" Wii console, only makes money for first-party casual games, with the exception of guitar hero which is available with better graphics and online support on both other consoles.

How about instead of simply criticising me, you point to the third parties that are making MORE profit off the Wii than the 360 (and to a lesser extent the PS3 I guess), rather than just toeing GGE's line?

So you're going to ignore that all 3 infinitely more expensive and infinitely more hyped games flopped in Japan by using attach rates for a console that similarly flopped there? Good argument.

 

 

 

Actually if you had cared to read just two lines more of my post, you would have found my argument.  You would have realised that mentioning those three games was merely a response to ItsAMii's post, and you would have realised that as first-party titles they dont in any way pertain to the argument I was making, which is indeed, a good argument. 

Furthermore, you might want to track down a dictionary and school yourself in the meaning of the word infinite. 

Actually it is relevant, because if 1st party backed titles like those can flop that hard I can only imagine the financial hell 3rd parties that weren't paid off by Microsoft to make RPGs for the console are going through. If there are any.

Furthermore, you might want to track down a good understanding of common sense so that you can recognize an exaggeration when you see one. I know common sense is hard to find on the internet, especially for you, but it would be well worth it in the long run.

 



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hihihi on 03 February 2008

wow...



Sky Render on 03 February 2008

And the cycle of threads getting hijacked to discuss 1st-party vs. 3rd-party sales goes on... Perhaps we need a catch-all topic for people to discuss this matter, instead of having almost every single thread on the Sales Discussion forum degrade into an extension of it.



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