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JWeinCom on 21 January 2013
cannonballZ said:
Im sure they will find a way. Even nintendo found a way. I put all my wii digital library into my wii u. Im sure their digital content will also be able to be transfered. Idk so much about b/c with ps3 discs.


The Wii U's architecture is power PC based which is the same as that of the Wii.  The hardware is similar, so it's easy to run the games across both.  PS3 would be a lot more challenging because of the architecture.  



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leatherhat on 21 January 2013
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no doubt that PSN only games will be supported since they all are lower end games as most are multiplatform anyway. But the bigger retail games could end up being left in the dust is Sony doesn't go with a Cell compatible chip like is rumored.

As for me, I always keep my consoles so while I find backwards compatibility convenient it's not a deal breaker because I can always pull out my old system. With that said, there aren't many PS3 exclusives that I've ever felt the need to replay so I'm not sure if I'll even feel the need to go back during the next gen. I'll definitly want to replay games like the Mass Effect and Portal series but I didn't get them on PS3.


The problem i have is... even well maintained, modern consoles seem to break easy... at least the Sony ones do. (I believe the original Xbox dies pretty easy too right?)

While my Bally Astrocade, Atari, NES and SNES work...

Neither of my PS2's work and my PS1 doesn't work....

I'd be shocked if my Ps3 worked in 4-5 years.
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It's one of my big reasons for shifting to PC gaming.


With older consoles you can just emulate everything anyway

I could, except i live in a country where for most practical purproses it's illegal...

and where the few legal uses of it like Bleem! get stomped out by countless harrassing lawsuits.


I don't know the exact laws but I believe if you own the game you can download a ROM for it legally as a back up. So that takes care of your personal collection.



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Persistantthug on 21 January 2013
WagnerPaiva said:
Persistantthug said:

I am a huge PS3 fan. You could even label me a PS3 fanboy if you like....that's been fair at times.

But if Sony cannot figure out how to make the stuff we bought out from their store work for the PS4, then I will never buy anything from their online store again.
I don't really care how they get it done....whether through GAIKAI, straight emulation....I've even heard rumors of some dongle'ish attachment thing, and that might be acceptable....maybe.

If Sony can't figure it out, then they've misappropriated consumer trust in their online shit, AGAIN.

And if that's the case, considering how important online has become, and is further becoming in the future, I might as well not even bother with a PS4, because it would be more of Sony Online Incompetence.

Sony better figure it out.....Move Heaven and Earth if need be.....they had better.


PS....A credit refund would also be acceptable.

 

Do you feel the same?  Explain.


Why? When you buy a PS4 your PS3 will break? Play the games on the PS3 and the brand new next gen games on the PS4. I have a Vita and still have a PSP, that is it. 

I say: no backward compatibility and MORE POWER, MUCH MORE POWER.


Why?

Well, maybe peoples PS3's break.  Maybe people want to sell, trade, or give away their PS3 hardware.  Various possible events. 

Again, I don't want to, nor do I need to hold onto my 2009 Iphone to play ANGRY BIRDS.  Why should that dynamic change for PS4?

 

 

Also, why or how does backwards compatibility detract from PS4's "power"?  Your correlation didn't really make alot of sense there.



KHlover on 21 January 2013
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no doubt that PSN only games will be supported since they all are lower end games as most are multiplatform anyway. But the bigger retail games could end up being left in the dust is Sony doesn't go with a Cell compatible chip like is rumored.

As for me, I always keep my consoles so while I find backwards compatibility convenient it's not a deal breaker because I can always pull out my old system. With that said, there aren't many PS3 exclusives that I've ever felt the need to replay so I'm not sure if I'll even feel the need to go back during the next gen. I'll definitly want to replay games like the Mass Effect and Portal series but I didn't get them on PS3.


The problem i have is... even well maintained, modern consoles seem to break easy... at least the Sony ones do. (I believe the original Xbox dies pretty easy too right?)

While my Bally Astrocade, Atari, NES and SNES work...

Neither of my PS2's work and my PS1 doesn't work....

I'd be shocked if my Ps3 worked in 4-5 years.
.

It's one of my big reasons for shifting to PC gaming.


With older consoles you can just emulate everything anyway

I could, except i live in a country where for most practical purproses it's illegal...

and where the few legal uses of it like Bleem! get stomped out by countless harrassing lawsuits.


I don't know the exact laws but I believe if you own the game you can download a ROM for it legally as a back up. So that takes care of your personal collection.

That depends on the laws of your country I think. In Germany you are only allowed to back a game up yourself, normal downloads are illegal and P2P downloads are illegal as hell.



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GameAnalyser on 21 January 2013
cusman said:
pokoko said:
Well, no, you're not entitled to compensation, as no game you've bought on PSN has ever listed "PS4" as a platform it would work with. You're not going to get a refund. However, you're fully entitled to feel disappointment and anger, which is what I would probably feel, and to take your business elsewhere as a result.

Where have you heard it suggested that you won't be able to play PSN games on PS4, though?

I share the same concern about PS4 since they are dropping the CELL processor architecture in favor of something comparatively more off the shelf (AMD something) than an evolution of the CELL processor architecture.

That said, I see no reason why I wouldn't hold on to my very competant and relevant PS3 for another few years past the PS4 release. If they do manage to be fully BC with all PS3 content, then I would definitely replace PS3 hardware.

I love the PS3 and all the content I already have on it and its controllers and headsets... those PS3 headsets are the best in class.

It's guaranteed PS3 is to stay here for a while with it's wonderful library even further into PS4 era.



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Kasz216 on 21 January 2013
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
leatherhat said:
Kasz216 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no doubt that PSN only games will be supported since they all are lower end games as most are multiplatform anyway. But the bigger retail games could end up being left in the dust is Sony doesn't go with a Cell compatible chip like is rumored.

As for me, I always keep my consoles so while I find backwards compatibility convenient it's not a deal breaker because I can always pull out my old system. With that said, there aren't many PS3 exclusives that I've ever felt the need to replay so I'm not sure if I'll even feel the need to go back during the next gen. I'll definitly want to replay games like the Mass Effect and Portal series but I didn't get them on PS3.


The problem i have is... even well maintained, modern consoles seem to break easy... at least the Sony ones do. (I believe the original Xbox dies pretty easy too right?)

While my Bally Astrocade, Atari, NES and SNES work...

Neither of my PS2's work and my PS1 doesn't work....

I'd be shocked if my Ps3 worked in 4-5 years.
.

It's one of my big reasons for shifting to PC gaming.


With older consoles you can just emulate everything anyway

I could, except i live in a country where for most practical purproses it's illegal...

and where the few legal uses of it like Bleem! get stomped out by countless harrassing lawsuits.


I don't know the exact laws but I believe if you own the game you can download a ROM for it legally as a back up. So that takes care of your personal collection.


Nope.  It used to be that you could make a copy of your own game for a backup, but NOT download one from online.

However, it was later changed that circumventing ANY copy protection is illegal. 

So you have a right to own a backup copy, but you can't download it online, nor can you copy it by circumventing any copyright protection.


So unless the game doesn't have ANY Drm emulation is illegal. 

The only legal emulation is hardware emulation that plays the original discs at the moment.

Or at least that's how i understand the law.

 

To put it another way, it's like they passed a law where you own, and have a right to your property in someone elses safe, but there is no legal way to actually force them to open the safe to get your stuff out.



phinch1 on 21 January 2013

i imagine the ps4 could do remote play like the ps vita, but lets be honest why buy a ps4 to play ps3 games
and were at thae point in the generation where its pretty worhtless to trade your ps3 in against anything so you may as well just keep your ps3 to do just that, play ps3 games



platformmaster918 on 21 January 2013

If they made PS2 games run on PS3 digitally then they can make PS3 games work on PS4 digitally. They at least have a record of your purchase so even if you had to download it again they won't make you buy the game again. I think they'll have an add-on for PS3 BC or a different SKU with BC.




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sergiodaly on 21 January 2013
pokoko said:
Well, no, you're not entitled to compensation, as no game you've bought on PSN has ever listed "PS4" as a platform it would work with. You're not going to get a refund.

Where have you heard it suggested that you won't be able to play PSN games on PS4, though?

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J_Allard on 21 January 2013

No? You bought the stuff for the PS3, not the PS4.