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Is this a good idea?

Yes 12 40.00%
 
No 7 23.33%
 
Waste of Time 10 33.33%
 
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I see no problem with this.

I mean, do we REALLY need more obnoxious 12 year olds playing M rated games?



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you guys can blame me for this one, I voted for jim matheson... although mia love would have probably been worse...

Anyway, this bill is crap because it singles out games, but doesn't do anything about other violent media. If violent video games can warp someones mind then so can violent movies, books, etc. I would respect lawmakers a lot more if they tried to tackle the entire problem they are trying to address rather then a fringe element of it, even if I don't agree with what they are trying to do. By just attacking video games, they are playing for the mom and pop votes that know anything about games.

I expect more of you jim matheson!!!!



curl-6 said:
I see no problem with this.

I mean, do we REALLY need more obnoxious 12 year olds playing M rated games?

The problem with the law is it attacks one industry, but ignores others.  Why should the video ratings be enforced when the movie ratings aren't?  They don't even have ratings for books.  What about tv shows?  You see my point?  There are other forms of violent media, if they are going to go after enforcing a rating system, why just video games?  It's an obvious pander to riled up masses that doesn't actually adress the problem it is attempting to solve.  



I see nothing wrong with this. As long as parents still have the option to buy the games for their children if they choose. I don't understand why it wasn't illegal to begin with.



Wagram said:
I see nothing wrong with this. As long as parents still have the option to buy the games for their children if they choose. I don't understand why it wasn't illegal to begin with.

because video games and other media are protected under the first amendment.  



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gergroy said:
curl-6 said:
I see no problem with this.

I mean, do we REALLY need more obnoxious 12 year olds playing M rated games?

The problem with the law is it attacks one industry, but ignores others.  Why should the video ratings be enforced when the movie ratings aren't?  They don't even have ratings for books.  What about tv shows?  You see my point?  There are other forms of violent media, if they are going to go after enforcing a rating system, why just video games?  It's an obvious pander to riled up masses that doesn't actually adress the problem it is attempting to solve.  

Movies aren't enforced there? Here in Australia you're not allowed to buy an R-rated film if you're under 18, though many lazy store clerks don't bother to check. In the US a kid can walk into a store and buy, say, Se7en without any questions asked?

Then again, over here don't even have an R rating for games, so we're not a shinging example of freedom of expression.

Hopefully as time goes on the older generations with their paranoia about games will be replaced by a generation that grew up with games as a socially acceptable medium.

Still, if it means I don't have to hear as many miniature dudebros talking to their fellow preteens about how "f*cking epic" Black Ops 2 or God of War is, then I find it hard to be against it. XD



The biggest bullshit isn't the enforcement, which most stores do anyway, it's the freaking tax on games T and up. What about games that are pretty soft on violence, but are rated higher for language and/or sex? They're undoubtedly going to be included in there, too. This isn't even trying to solve any problem. This is all about the government seeing the millions of copies COD, Halo and GOW sells and they just want a piece of that pie. And if you honestly think that the money is going towards mental health, you're going to be let down.



Mr Khan said:
You can't regulate speech unless it fails the Miller test. They would have to prove that M and AO-rated video games have no artistic merit outside of their own efforts to be profane, which is insanely difficult to prove for anything except hardcore porn.

Do minors have rights?



curl-6 said:
gergroy said:
curl-6 said:
I see no problem with this.

I mean, do we REALLY need more obnoxious 12 year olds playing M rated games?

The problem with the law is it attacks one industry, but ignores others.  Why should the video ratings be enforced when the movie ratings aren't?  They don't even have ratings for books.  What about tv shows?  You see my point?  There are other forms of violent media, if they are going to go after enforcing a rating system, why just video games?  It's an obvious pander to riled up masses that doesn't actually adress the problem it is attempting to solve.  

Movies aren't enforced there? Here in Australia you're not allowed to buy an R-rated film if you're under 18, though many lazy store clerks don't bother to check. In the US a kid can walk into a store and buy, say, Se7en without any questions asked?

Then again, over here don't even have an R rating for games, so we're not a shinging example of freedom of expression.

Hopefully as time goes on the older generations with their paranoia about games will be replaced by a generation that grew up with games as a socially acceptable medium.

Still, if it means I don't have to hear as many miniature dudebros talking to their fellow preteens about how "f*cking epic" Black Ops 2 or God of War is, then I find it hard to be against it. XD

The ratings are more like guidelines.  Most retailers try to go by them, but there is no law that says they have to.  It is not like the way alcohol or cigarette sales are enforced.



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Soleron said:
Mr Khan said:
You can't regulate speech unless it fails the Miller test. They would have to prove that M and AO-rated video games have no artistic merit outside of their own efforts to be profane, which is insanely difficult to prove for anything except hardcore porn.

Do minors have rights?

As far as i know, that doesn't matter. The only time the courts have sided against free speech vis-a-vis children is with allowing public schools to do their thing about expression and such.



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