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dsgrue3 on 18 January 2013
Ckmlb1 said:
No because the ones that don't think it was faked aren't making websites called 911wasreal.com, I was just saying there are crazies in every profession that will believe conspiracy theories. Why would anyone try to put a number on it when it's probably too many of them that the conspircy quacks are gathered in the dark corners of the internet, huddled and spewing craziness. Any pilot that actually believed it was a conspiracy would have come out and said it by this point, since the amount that have done so are so few, then whatever amount that haven't said so are not truthers.

 

So you don't have any evidence of ANY pilots that are claiming the official story is real.

Not one pilot! lmfao

  Perhaps you are the crazy one professing some imaginary group of pilots who have come forward to assert your claim? Are the pilots right next to you? 

HAHAHAHAH



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dsgrue3 on 18 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
winston000smith said:
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I recently worked with an ex Royal Air Force man, who after leaving the RAF worked as a pilot. Granted, I had no concrete proof of his story but I did see his military tattoos which I would take as reasonable evidence that he had been in the military.

The subject of 9/11 came up in conversation. His words. "I'm sorry but 9/11 was definitely a fix". He went on to talk about aircraft, a lot of which I didn't understand, but went on to mention how flying at the angle and height of the plane that hit the pentagon was "impossible" and a lot about what should and shouldn't have been at the site of the incident.

Admittedly, this is just one person I happened to meet but there are also over 1700 qualified architects and engineers, all with careers, all with letters after their names, who have serious questions about 9/11.

To dismiss it all seems crazy to me. A lot of the debunking documentaries I have seen (especially the BBC ones) seem to focus on character assasination and a general sense of "We understand why people would think it looks like a controlled demolition but it's not because we say so". You would expect them to get more into the detail.

So, if he doesn't believe it was possibly a plane what does he believe it was?

He never suggested it wasn't a plane, just that it certainly was not a Boeing 757-200, and certainly not by an amateur pilot that failed flight school.



Ckmlb1 on 18 January 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Ckmlb1 said:
No because the ones that don't think it was faked aren't making websites called 911wasreal.com, I was just saying there are crazies in every profession that will believe conspiracy theories. Why would anyone try to put a number on it when it's probably too many of them that the conspircy quacks are gathered in the dark corners of the internet, huddled and spewing craziness. Any pilot that actually believed it was a conspiracy would have come out and said it by this point, since the amount that have done so are so few, then whatever amount that haven't said so are not truthers.

 

So you don't have any evidence of ANY pilots that are claiming the official story is real.

Not one pilot! lmfao

  Perhaps you are the crazy one professing some imaginary group of pilots who have come forward to assert your claim? Are the pilots right next to you? 

HAHAHAHAH

Why would people that believe 9/11 was not a conspiracy specifically come out to claim it? That's like a group of scientists coming out to claim gravity is real, makes no sense. That website you linked had maybe 50 pilots on the members list.

50 pilots out of about 250 thousand commercial pilots in the US? What a concensus! Not to mention you still haven't presented any evidence of any of your claims, just called all the evidence I've linked you faked with no proof between this thread and the Sandy Hook one.



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Max King of the Wild on 18 January 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
winston000smith said:
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I recently worked with an ex Royal Air Force man, who after leaving the RAF worked as a pilot. Granted, I had no concrete proof of his story but I did see his military tattoos which I would take as reasonable evidence that he had been in the military.

The subject of 9/11 came up in conversation. His words. "I'm sorry but 9/11 was definitely a fix". He went on to talk about aircraft, a lot of which I didn't understand, but went on to mention how flying at the angle and height of the plane that hit the pentagon was "impossible" and a lot about what should and shouldn't have been at the site of the incident.

Admittedly, this is just one person I happened to meet but there are also over 1700 qualified architects and engineers, all with careers, all with letters after their names, who have serious questions about 9/11.

To dismiss it all seems crazy to me. A lot of the debunking documentaries I have seen (especially the BBC ones) seem to focus on character assasination and a general sense of "We understand why people would think it looks like a controlled demolition but it's not because we say so". You would expect them to get more into the detail.

So, if he doesn't believe it was possibly a plane what does he believe it was?

He never suggested it wasn't a plane, just that it certainly was not a Boeing 757-200, and certainly not by an amateur pilot that failed flight school.



So it wasn't a huge ass plane even though it knocked down multiple light poles that were quite a distance a part from each other and numerous identifiable parts of the plane were found including the logo to the airline on the fuselage



Ckmlb1 on 18 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
dsgrue3 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
winston000smith said:
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I recently worked with an ex Royal Air Force man, who after leaving the RAF worked as a pilot. Granted, I had no concrete proof of his story but I did see his military tattoos which I would take as reasonable evidence that he had been in the military.

The subject of 9/11 came up in conversation. His words. "I'm sorry but 9/11 was definitely a fix". He went on to talk about aircraft, a lot of which I didn't understand, but went on to mention how flying at the angle and height of the plane that hit the pentagon was "impossible" and a lot about what should and shouldn't have been at the site of the incident.

Admittedly, this is just one person I happened to meet but there are also over 1700 qualified architects and engineers, all with careers, all with letters after their names, who have serious questions about 9/11.

To dismiss it all seems crazy to me. A lot of the debunking documentaries I have seen (especially the BBC ones) seem to focus on character assasination and a general sense of "We understand why people would think it looks like a controlled demolition but it's not because we say so". You would expect them to get more into the detail.

So, if he doesn't believe it was possibly a plane what does he believe it was?

He never suggested it wasn't a plane, just that it certainly was not a Boeing 757-200, and certainly not by an amateur pilot that failed flight school.



So it wasn't a huge ass plane even though it knocked down multiple light poles that were quite a distance a part from each other and numerous identifiable parts of the plane were found including the logo to the airline on the fuselage

He thinks the plane parts were in the Pentagon before the explosion, he thinks they closed off a section of the Pentagon and filled it with plane debris and no one noticed. He has no evidence of this of course, but he believes it 100%.



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dsgrue3 on 18 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
dsgrue3 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
winston000smith said:
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I recently worked with an ex Royal Air Force man, who after leaving the RAF worked as a pilot. Granted, I had no concrete proof of his story but I did see his military tattoos which I would take as reasonable evidence that he had been in the military.

The subject of 9/11 came up in conversation. His words. "I'm sorry but 9/11 was definitely a fix". He went on to talk about aircraft, a lot of which I didn't understand, but went on to mention how flying at the angle and height of the plane that hit the pentagon was "impossible" and a lot about what should and shouldn't have been at the site of the incident.

Admittedly, this is just one person I happened to meet but there are also over 1700 qualified architects and engineers, all with careers, all with letters after their names, who have serious questions about 9/11.

To dismiss it all seems crazy to me. A lot of the debunking documentaries I have seen (especially the BBC ones) seem to focus on character assasination and a general sense of "We understand why people would think it looks like a controlled demolition but it's not because we say so". You would expect them to get more into the detail.

So, if he doesn't believe it was possibly a plane what does he believe it was?

He never suggested it wasn't a plane, just that it certainly was not a Boeing 757-200, and certainly not by an amateur pilot that failed flight school.



So it wasn't a huge ass plane even though it knocked down multiple light poles that were quite a distance a part from each other and numerous identifiable parts of the plane were found including the logo to the airline on the fuselage

Never said it wasn't a large aircraft, just not a Boeing 757-200. Slightly smaller. I noticed you didn't address my point about an amateur pilot being unable to perform such a path with the precision necessary. Light poles were not "quite a distance" apart. I suggest you do some ACTUAL research (your friend here apparently can't either) and then come back with something substantial instead of suppositions.

Ckmlb1 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Ckmlb1 said:
No because the ones that don't think it was faked aren't making websites called 911wasreal.com, I was just saying there are crazies in every profession that will believe conspiracy theories. Why would anyone try to put a number on it when it's probably too many of them that the conspircy quacks are gathered in the dark corners of the internet, huddled and spewing craziness. Any pilot that actually believed it was a conspiracy would have come out and said it by this point, since the amount that have done so are so few, then whatever amount that haven't said so are not truthers.

 

So you don't have any evidence of ANY pilots that are claiming the official story is real.

Not one pilot! lmfao

  Perhaps you are the crazy one professing some imaginary group of pilots who have come forward to assert your claim? Are the pilots right next to you? 

HAHAHAHAH

Why would people that believe 9/11 was not a conspiracy specifically come out to claim it? That's like a group of scientists coming out to claim gravity is real, makes no sense. That website you linked had maybe 50 pilots on the members list.

50 pilots out of about 250 thousand commercial pilots in the US? What a concensus! Not to mention you still haven't presented any evidence of any of your claims, just called all the evidence I've linked you faked with no proof between this thread and the Sandy Hook one.

When someone makes a claim, they usually back it up with sources. 

Gravity - sources would be the scientists that conduct experiments confirming its existence.

Pilots would be such sources in this circumstance. A grand total of 0 have confirmed this.

You seem to take things at face value and rely on youtube videos for evidence. I realize I've said "we're done" several times, but enough is enough.

I will not reply to you after this post and I'm sticking to it.



Gribble on 18 January 2013
Ckmlb1 said:
Gribble said:
Ckmlb1 said:
One more time because 9/11 conspiracy loons ignore all evidence: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Main_Page

How about you give us some of the juicy evidence yourself?

Why? Can't you read? There's too much crap to copy/paste everything. Go to the website and look up the conspiracy theories and then look at them explained and debunked. 

I can't even begin to tell you terrible the site is and how they completely misunderstand what the 'sensible' people are saying. They're taking the extremists view and debunking that. You need to listen to people who know what they are talking about, not people who just cherry pick. ALL the scientists, technicians, physicist and scholars are asking us to do is examine the evidence, which I have, but you haven't. You are just following the official story whilst I have followed both. Just because my conclusion is based on more data, doesn't mean some loon -- quite the contrary.

For you to keep asking for proof and then ignore every single piece of evidence and every single interview with specialists and every single piece of footage, is just incredible. And then you say WE are ignoring the evidence.

from that site:

'In reality "all four black boxes" are not "supposedly destroyed". The Flight 93 flight data recorders were recovered. The Flight 77 black boxes were also removed from the Pentagon, but one of them (the cockpit voice recorder) was too badly damaged to be used. The only boxes not to be recovered were from the World Trade Centre impacts (although one story says otherwise: more on that below)'

You see, that verifies what people are saying. People are not saying they were destroyed, they're saying that for some reason they have not been seen. This site is terrible. It puts a proposition forward that doesn't exist in sane minded doubters and then debunks that instead of looking at the specialists views and debunking those. They're going for easy targets.



Ckmlb1 on 18 January 2013
Gribble said:
Ckmlb1 said:
Gribble said:
Ckmlb1 said:
One more time because 9/11 conspiracy loons ignore all evidence: http://www.911myths.com/index.php/Main_Page

How about you give us some of the juicy evidence yourself?

Why? Can't you read? There's too much crap to copy/paste everything. Go to the website and look up the conspiracy theories and then look at them explained and debunked. 

I can't even begin to tell you terrible the site is and how they completely misunderstand what the 'sensible' people are saying. They're taking the extremists view and debunking that. You need to listen to people who know what they are talking about, not people who just cherry pick. ALL the scientists, technicians, physicist and scholars are asking us to do is examine the evidence, which I have, but you haven't. You are just following the official story whilst I have followed both. Just because my conclusion is based on more data, doesn't mean some loon -- quite the contrary.

For you to keep asking for proof and then ignore every single piece of evidence and every single interview with specialists and every single piece of footage, is just incredible. And then you say WE are ignoring the evidence.

Give me these amazing pieces of evidence. The website has dozens of conspiracy theories explained and debunked. Someone who thinks that flight 77 never existed and all the people on board were fake and the Pentagon was filled with plane parts for the explosion is a loon.

You were claiming before that Al Qaeda wasn't behind the attack and never accepted responsibility, there are videos on this page of the hijackers' jihad videos that they made before going on their suicide mission:

http://www.911myths.com/index.php/The_Hijackers 



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Max King of the Wild on 18 January 2013

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/911pentagonflight77evidencesummary

It was obviously a jumbo plane



Ckmlb1 on 18 January 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
dsgrue3 said:
Max King of the Wild said:
winston000smith said:
Just thought I'd add my 2 cents.

I recently worked with an ex Royal Air Force man, who after leaving the RAF worked as a pilot. Granted, I had no concrete proof of his story but I did see his military tattoos which I would take as reasonable evidence that he had been in the military.

The subject of 9/11 came up in conversation. His words. "I'm sorry but 9/11 was definitely a fix". He went on to talk about aircraft, a lot of which I didn't understand, but went on to mention how flying at the angle and height of the plane that hit the pentagon was "impossible" and a lot about what should and shouldn't have been at the site of the incident.

Admittedly, this is just one person I happened to meet but there are also over 1700 qualified architects and engineers, all with careers, all with letters after their names, who have serious questions about 9/11.

To dismiss it all seems crazy to me. A lot of the debunking documentaries I have seen (especially the BBC ones) seem to focus on character assasination and a general sense of "We understand why people would think it looks like a controlled demolition but it's not because we say so". You would expect them to get more into the detail.

So, if he doesn't believe it was possibly a plane what does he believe it was?

He never suggested it wasn't a plane, just that it certainly was not a Boeing 757-200, and certainly not by an amateur pilot that failed flight school.



So it wasn't a huge ass plane even though it knocked down multiple light poles that were quite a distance a part from each other and numerous identifiable parts of the plane were found including the logo to the airline on the fuselage

Never said it wasn't a large aircraft, just not a Boeing 757-200. Slightly smaller. I noticed you didn't address my point about an amateur pilot being unable to perform such a path with the precision necessary. Light poles were not "quite a distance" apart. I suggest you do some ACTUAL research (your friend here apparently can't either) and then come back with something substantial instead of suppositions.

Ckmlb1 said:
dsgrue3 said:
Ckmlb1 said:
No because the ones that don't think it was faked aren't making websites called 911wasreal.com, I was just saying there are crazies in every profession that will believe conspiracy theories. Why would anyone try to put a number on it when it's probably too many of them that the conspircy quacks are gathered in the dark corners of the internet, huddled and spewing craziness. Any pilot that actually believed it was a conspiracy would have come out and said it by this point, since the amount that have done so are so few, then whatever amount that haven't said so are not truthers.

 

So you don't have any evidence of ANY pilots that are claiming the official story is real.

Not one pilot! lmfao

  Perhaps you are the crazy one professing some imaginary group of pilots who have come forward to assert your claim? Are the pilots right next to you? 

HAHAHAHAH

Why would people that believe 9/11 was not a conspiracy specifically come out to claim it? That's like a group of scientists coming out to claim gravity is real, makes no sense. That website you linked had maybe 50 pilots on the members list.

50 pilots out of about 250 thousand commercial pilots in the US? What a concensus! Not to mention you still haven't presented any evidence of any of your claims, just called all the evidence I've linked you faked with no proof between this thread and the Sandy Hook one.

 

When someone makes a claim, they usually back it up with sources. 

Gravity - sources would be the scientists that conduct experiments confirming its existence.

Pilots would be such sources in this circumstance. A grand total of 0 have confirmed this.

You seem to take things at face value and rely on youtube videos for evidence. I realize I've said "we're done" several times, but enough is enough.

I will not reply to you after this post and I'm sticking to it.

 

Youtube videos? I never posted a youtube video as evidence, more things your mind is making up. I gave you a website several times and gave you flight manifests, photos and accounts of the victims, photos with the plane parts at the Pentagon, a whole site full of files, photos, testimony, radar videos tracking planes. You never checked any of the evidence and kept parroting the same nonsense. You claimed the plane parts were there beforehand, do you have any proof of this? No. Do you have any explanation for Bin Laden and the hijackers making videos claiming responsibility and explaining their actions? No. All you've presented is that 50 pilots are also conspiracy theorists like you.



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