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tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Not to mention that the vita is now going against both Monster Hunters and Pokemon this year. A price cut will help but it needs better games before most people will buy it. Yes it has games but nothing that will sell it and we all know its true



You forgot Dragon Quest 7....... God.... :->


Oh yeah, i did forget about that.  People want to act like it's the price of the Vita and that is why its not selling well their is many more reasons.  The price hurts but its not the only thing.  The PSP hurt them profoundly with the lack good software.  It sold well at the beginning because it was the first powerful handheld and people trusted playstation at the time.  Now that Vita has lost its godchild or demigod with Monster Hunters it needs a new IP that can truly sell it.  Console like games are not enough.  



how about no more psp games? I mean make a little. Isnt japan selling nothing but psp games (handheld wise)? All i see on the COMG charts are 3 or 4 3DS, 6 or 7 PS3, and 7or 8 PSP! Now we finally see two vita games but is it enough

The PSP did well in Japan and a lot of that was because Monster Hunters.  Vita isn't getting the same treatment because they dont have any big games worth getting.  PSP baciacally failed outside of japan software wise.  You can blame that on piracy or the lack of support.  Im not saying it didnt have any games outside of japan, just not enough.  

I think the Vita will do fine but I dont think we should expect big numbers from it either like many people are hoping for.  If this thing takes off itll likely be a few years from now rather than this year, unless they have a BIG title plannedalong with a price cut. Not a good title, but a must have title. Sony needs to learn to adapt and restrategize or they will see themselves in trouble with the PS4 as well.  I know this site has a lot of sony supporters but people need to realize where they make mistakes rather than making excuses and making up things just to fit there personal ideas.  Not every niche game is a system seller.




       

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Iam waiteing for price drop on the vita



VITA 32 GIG CARD.250 GIG SLIM & 160 GIG PHAT PS3

People are going to be very disappointed when that price cut happens assuming Vita's current SW trend continues.



BasilZero said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Not to mention that the vita is now going against both Monster Hunters and Pokemon this year. A price cut will help but it needs better games before most people will buy it. Yes it has games but nothing that will sell it and we all know its true



You forgot Dragon Quest 7....... God.... :->


Oh yeah, i did forget about that.  People want to act like it's the price of the Vita and that is why its not selling well their is many more reasons.  The price hurts but its not the only thing.  The PSP hurt them profoundly with the lack good software.  It sold well at the beginning because it was the first powerful handheld and people trusted playstation at the time.  Now that Vita has lost its godchild or demigod with Monster Hunters it needs a new IP that can truly sell it.  Console like games are not enough.  


Honestly, its the combination of unit/bundle price, lack of advertisment (there are some people who still dont know the system exists), Sony's downfall from their top spot from this generation, the fact that the Vita's PSP PSN collection is incomplete and lacks many major titles such as Kingdom Hearts BBS, and the horrendous price of the memory cards.

For me though the main factor is the memory cards, I refuse to buy a Vita unless I can afford the 32 gb memory card as I will be focusing on digital gaming more in the future.


Memory Card ties in with price problems.  So you blame it on Advertising?  The same complaint happens with PS3 games and i dont see it.  Plenty of games get a lot of advertisements for PS3 but they dont sell extremely well because they are not what a a big margin of people wants in a game. Uncharted was their big title this gen but games like Heavy Rain, InFamous, and Heavenly Sword are just titles that are good.  They will never have the same main stream effect as Halo, Mario, Gears, Call of Duty, Uncharted, etc.

I've also seen plenty of Vita adertisements.  Especially with Liberation and Unit 13 when it first came out.  Once again it comes down to these games do not have a mainstream effect.  While Liberation is branched from a game that is mainstream people look at it as a game they dont need because they can just go out and buy Assassin's Creed 3 which came out in the same time frame.  On top of that Playstation's portable market has lost trust with the hardcore market that does pay attention to niche title games like Heavy Rain, etc

Vita is an awesome piece of technology but people are not looking for a console to be the most powerful.  people want to have the most fun which you can look else where in that case.  For a site that is based around sells I see a lot of people on here that are very misinformed about a lot of things.(not talking about you)




       

JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Not to mention that the vita is now going against both Monster Hunters and Pokemon this year. A price cut will help but it needs better games before most people will buy it. Yes it has games but nothing that will sell it and we all know its true



You forgot Dragon Quest 7....... God.... :->


Oh yeah, i did forget about that.  People want to act like it's the price of the Vita and that is why its not selling well their is many more reasons.  The price hurts but its not the only thing.  The PSP hurt them profoundly with the lack good software.  It sold well at the beginning because it was the first powerful handheld and people trusted playstation at the time.  Now that Vita has lost its godchild or demigod with Monster Hunters it needs a new IP that can truly sell it.  Console like games are not enough.  



how about no more psp games? I mean make a little. Isnt japan selling nothing but psp games (handheld wise)? All i see on the COMG charts are 3 or 4 3DS, 6 or 7 PS3, and 7or 8 PSP! Now we finally see two vita games but is it enough

The PSP did well in Japan and a lot of that was because Monster Hunters.  Vita isn't getting the same treatment because they dont have any big games worth getting.  PSP baciacally failed outside of japan software wise.  You can blame that on piracy or the lack of support.  Im not saying it didnt have any games outside of japan, just not enough.  

I think the Vita will do fine but I dont think we should expect big numbers from it either like many people are hoping for.  If this thing takes off itll likely be a few years from now rather than this year, unless they have a BIG title plannedalong with a price cut. Not a good title, but a must have title. Sony needs to learn to adapt and restrategize or they will see themselves in trouble with the PS4 as well.  I know this site has a lot of sony supporters but people need to realize where they make mistakes rather than making excuses and making up things just to fit there personal ideas.  Not every niche game is a system seller.


Sony did a lot of things right with the Vita. It's just that Nintendo fooled Sony with the 3DS price imo lol

Sony matched the 3DS price($250), then Nintendo dropped the price as soon as it was known that Sony would be matching that $250 price point.

I was also fooled because i didn't recognise that $250 was too much for the Vita. I was more blown away at the fact that Sony matched the 3DS's price point at the time.

 

in order for this "mistake" to happen again, Sony would need to release the PS4 at $600(the same the PS3 costed). Sony already confirmed that this wont happen again.



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enditall727 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Not to mention that the vita is now going against both Monster Hunters and Pokemon this year. A price cut will help but it needs better games before most people will buy it. Yes it has games but nothing that will sell it and we all know its true



You forgot Dragon Quest 7....... God.... :->


Oh yeah, i did forget about that.  People want to act like it's the price of the Vita and that is why its not selling well their is many more reasons.  The price hurts but its not the only thing.  The PSP hurt them profoundly with the lack good software.  It sold well at the beginning because it was the first powerful handheld and people trusted playstation at the time.  Now that Vita has lost its godchild or demigod with Monster Hunters it needs a new IP that can truly sell it.  Console like games are not enough.  



how about no more psp games? I mean make a little. Isnt japan selling nothing but psp games (handheld wise)? All i see on the COMG charts are 3 or 4 3DS, 6 or 7 PS3, and 7or 8 PSP! Now we finally see two vita games but is it enough

The PSP did well in Japan and a lot of that was because Monster Hunters.  Vita isn't getting the same treatment because they dont have any big games worth getting.  PSP baciacally failed outside of japan software wise.  You can blame that on piracy or the lack of support.  Im not saying it didnt have any games outside of japan, just not enough.  

I think the Vita will do fine but I dont think we should expect big numbers from it either like many people are hoping for.  If this thing takes off itll likely be a few years from now rather than this year, unless they have a BIG title plannedalong with a price cut. Not a good title, but a must have title. Sony needs to learn to adapt and restrategize or they will see themselves in trouble with the PS4 as well.  I know this site has a lot of sony supporters but people need to realize where they make mistakes rather than making excuses and making up things just to fit there personal ideas.  Not every niche game is a system seller.


Sony did a lot of things right with the Vita. It's just that Nintendo fooled Sony with the 3DS price lol

Sony matched the 3DS price($250), then Nintendo dropped the price as soon as it was known that Sony would be matching that $250 price point.

I was also fooled because i didn't recognise that $250 was too much for the Vita. I was more blown away at the fact that Sony matched the 3DS's price point at the time.

 

in order for this "mistake" to happen again, Sony would need to release the PS4 at $600(the same te PS3 costed). Sony already confirmed that this wont happen again.


If they have done things right with the Vita then explain?  They did do one thing right.  I feel like this console was built to have a long life which is a plus.  I will never consider it as a failure because this exact reason.  It may not be a huge success but in the end the hardware it's self will bring a profit in even if it takes longer than they expected.

They probably had the Vita built before the 3DS was even announced so I kind of figure that the plan was for $250 the entire time.  And the hardware is worth it too.

My whole reference with the PS4 is that they need to use a different strategy than what theyve been using.  They cant make the same mistake like they did with the vita.  It's almost like sony has been unaware the drops worldwide with the PSP and why numbers was dropping.  MSFT and Nintendo has become big competitors this gen so Sony has to be  much better with PS4 with their strategy or they will continue to lose marketshare.  They cant afford to take bigg losses next gen either




       

Sony will likely pay Capcom obscene amounts for MH. (Is is possible Capcom might have purposely not made it yet to squeeze $$ off Sony after recognizing that the Vita would be dead without it?)

There will at least be 1 on the Vita.



http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/92109/nintendopie/ Nintendopie  Was obviously right and I was obviously wrong. I will forever be a lesser being than them. (6/16/13)

Actually Sony doesn't have itself to blame with ps3 price cuts, it has Nintendo to blame for slashing a similarly priced console by 30% after sales declined.



JayWood2010 said:
enditall727 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Not to mention that the vita is now going against both Monster Hunters and Pokemon this year. A price cut will help but it needs better games before most people will buy it. Yes it has games but nothing that will sell it and we all know its true



You forgot Dragon Quest 7....... God.... :->


Oh yeah, i did forget about that.  People want to act like it's the price of the Vita and that is why its not selling well their is many more reasons.  The price hurts but its not the only thing.  The PSP hurt them profoundly with the lack good software.  It sold well at the beginning because it was the first powerful handheld and people trusted playstation at the time.  Now that Vita has lost its godchild or demigod with Monster Hunters it needs a new IP that can truly sell it.  Console like games are not enough.  



how about no more psp games? I mean make a little. Isnt japan selling nothing but psp games (handheld wise)? All i see on the COMG charts are 3 or 4 3DS, 6 or 7 PS3, and 7or 8 PSP! Now we finally see two vita games but is it enough

The PSP did well in Japan and a lot of that was because Monster Hunters.  Vita isn't getting the same treatment because they dont have any big games worth getting.  PSP baciacally failed outside of japan software wise.  You can blame that on piracy or the lack of support.  Im not saying it didnt have any games outside of japan, just not enough.  

I think the Vita will do fine but I dont think we should expect big numbers from it either like many people are hoping for.  If this thing takes off itll likely be a few years from now rather than this year, unless they have a BIG title plannedalong with a price cut. Not a good title, but a must have title. Sony needs to learn to adapt and restrategize or they will see themselves in trouble with the PS4 as well.  I know this site has a lot of sony supporters but people need to realize where they make mistakes rather than making excuses and making up things just to fit there personal ideas.  Not every niche game is a system seller.


Sony did a lot of things right with the Vita. It's just that Nintendo fooled Sony with the 3DS price lol

Sony matched the 3DS price($250), then Nintendo dropped the price as soon as it was known that Sony would be matching that $250 price point.

I was also fooled because i didn't recognise that $250 was too much for the Vita. I was more blown away at the fact that Sony matched the 3DS's price point at the time.

 

in order for this "mistake" to happen again, Sony would need to release the PS4 at $600(the same te PS3 costed). Sony already confirmed that this wont happen again.


If they have done things right with the Vita then explain?  They did do one thing right.  I feel like this console was built to have a long life which is a plus.  I will never consider it as a failure because this exact reason.  It may not be a huge success but in the end the hardware it's self will bring a profit in even if it takes longer than they expected.

They probably had the Vita built before the 3DS was even announced so I kind of figure that the plan was for $250 the entire time.  And the hardware is worth it too.

My whole reference with the PS4 is that they need to use a different strategy than what theyve been using.  They cant make the same mistake like they did with the vita.  It's almost like sony has been unaware the drops worldwide with the PSP and why numbers was dropping.  MSFT and Nintendo has become big competitors this gen so Sony has to be  much better with PS4 with their strategy or they will continue to lost marketshare.  They cant afford to take bigg losses next gen either

The physical media and the 2nd analog stick.

 

The only thing that is out of place is the price of the Vita and the Memory cards but Sony has always had overpriced memory cards. I can remember that back in the PS2 days

 

and what is the same mistake Sony made with Vita that they should avoid making with the PS4? the pricing, right?



enditall727 said:
JayWood2010 said:
enditall727 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
tbone51 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Not to mention that the vita is now going against both Monster Hunters and Pokemon this year. A price cut will help but it needs better games before most people will buy it. Yes it has games but nothing that will sell it and we all know its true



You forgot Dragon Quest 7....... God.... :->


Oh yeah, i did forget about that.  People want to act like it's the price of the Vita and that is why its not selling well their is many more reasons.  The price hurts but its not the only thing.  The PSP hurt them profoundly with the lack good software.  It sold well at the beginning because it was the first powerful handheld and people trusted playstation at the time.  Now that Vita has lost its godchild or demigod with Monster Hunters it needs a new IP that can truly sell it.  Console like games are not enough.  



how about no more psp games? I mean make a little. Isnt japan selling nothing but psp games (handheld wise)? All i see on the COMG charts are 3 or 4 3DS, 6 or 7 PS3, and 7or 8 PSP! Now we finally see two vita games but is it enough

The PSP did well in Japan and a lot of that was because Monster Hunters.  Vita isn't getting the same treatment because they dont have any big games worth getting.  PSP baciacally failed outside of japan software wise.  You can blame that on piracy or the lack of support.  Im not saying it didnt have any games outside of japan, just not enough.  

I think the Vita will do fine but I dont think we should expect big numbers from it either like many people are hoping for.  If this thing takes off itll likely be a few years from now rather than this year, unless they have a BIG title plannedalong with a price cut. Not a good title, but a must have title. Sony needs to learn to adapt and restrategize or they will see themselves in trouble with the PS4 as well.  I know this site has a lot of sony supporters but people need to realize where they make mistakes rather than making excuses and making up things just to fit there personal ideas.  Not every niche game is a system seller.


Sony did a lot of things right with the Vita. It's just that Nintendo fooled Sony with the 3DS price lol

Sony matched the 3DS price($250), then Nintendo dropped the price as soon as it was known that Sony would be matching that $250 price point.

I was also fooled because i didn't recognise that $250 was too much for the Vita. I was more blown away at the fact that Sony matched the 3DS's price point at the time.

 

in order for this "mistake" to happen again, Sony would need to release the PS4 at $600(the same te PS3 costed). Sony already confirmed that this wont happen again.


If they have done things right with the Vita then explain?  They did do one thing right.  I feel like this console was built to have a long life which is a plus.  I will never consider it as a failure because this exact reason.  It may not be a huge success but in the end the hardware it's self will bring a profit in even if it takes longer than they expected.

They probably had the Vita built before the 3DS was even announced so I kind of figure that the plan was for $250 the entire time.  And the hardware is worth it too.

My whole reference with the PS4 is that they need to use a different strategy than what theyve been using.  They cant make the same mistake like they did with the vita.  It's almost like sony has been unaware the drops worldwide with the PSP and why numbers was dropping.  MSFT and Nintendo has become big competitors this gen so Sony has to be  much better with PS4 with their strategy or they will continue to lost marketshare.  They cant afford to take bigg losses next gen either

The physical media and the 2nd analog stick.

 

The only thing that is out of place is the price of the Vita and the Memory cards but Sony has always had overpriced memory cards. I can remember that back in the PS2 days

 

and what is the same mistake Sony made with Vita that they should avoid making with the PS4? the pricing, right?


Yeah That is good things they did.


This ties into what I said about them needing to adapt and adopt new strategies


I guess I understand as I probably made it confusing.  Sony didnt learn from the mistakes with the PSP going into the Vita.  They did improve the hardware but that was never the issue with the PSP.  The software has always been the issue.  And now it is even more expensive which you would think they would have learned from the PS3's issues. They just didnt learn from previous mistakes. PS4 just needs to learn from mistakes from all previous consoles.  Dont launch at a high price, bring software which PS3 does, improve online, improve 3rd party support, and make mainstream games which theyve been trying to do that.  As long as they can improve on their cons and avoid a hig price then they will succeed next gen with ease.