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Are you for or against gay marriage?

For 290 49.49%
 
Against 171 29.18%
 
don't know 16 2.73%
 
whatever who cares? 108 18.43%
 
Total:585
Boutros on 09 January 2013

Dude they'll marry our girlfriends.

 

 

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sperrico87 on 09 January 2013
MrBubbles said:
BasilZero said:
MrBubbles said:
BasilZero said:
MrBubbles said:
ps. all christians are idolators and are going to hell


Was that really necessary especially from the fact that the OP stated dont mention religion ~-~

they may not be been quoted or mentioned in my post but it was directed to someone who mentioned idolatry


Regardless, stating that "All Christians" will go to hell is wrong to say.

Along with the fact isnt it against the forum rules to insult/attack a person or a group of people of different race/age/gender/faith-Beliefs?

Not gonna report you - I'm just saying.


oh.  its not an insult or an attack.  its a statement of their own beliefs.  christians are idolators by their very nature, idolators go to hell. 

Please support statement.



 

killerzX on 09 January 2013
fordy said:
killerzX said:

 

what if he doesnt believe people are born gay?

I know with absolute certainty that when i have children, they wont be gay.

 


No you don't. You'll just be willfully ignorant, because they'd choose not to tell you about it.

And people wonder why the LBGT community has significantly higher rates of suicide...you'd wish that upon your kid?

yes i do. 

anyway i treat homosexuals witht eh exact same dignity and respect as any other person.

they are human beings, and I actually value the sanctity of human life.



fordy on 09 January 2013
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:

You should be asking: "In what way are you for or against gay marriage?", as you can have both a personal opinion and an opinion with regard to politics or to the public.  For instance, I answered the poll question as "against" due to me personally being against it, but legally it is an entirely different matter.

My personal feelings are that, within my family, and with regards to raising my children, I will not tolerate homosexual marriage, and it will not be discussed or given any credibility in my home. Homosexual behavior ceases procreation, and therefore it serves no meaningful purpose, and is merely a social act with no significance.

Since government is involved, and that won't be changing anytime soon, my political opinion is that homosexuals cannot be prohibited from a legal marriage, as a government/ paper marriage is meaningless in the eyes of everything except the law, so therefore what does it matter to heterosexuals like myself if homosexuals commit to a legal marriage or not? I don't like it, I never will, but there isn't any reasonable legal basis for prohibiting it.

I should add, though, as I have in other threads about "gay marriage", that it is quite a double-standard for the people who advocate for these so-called "gay rights" when most of them would be horrified at the thought of legalizing plural marriage. I don't see any difference between the two. If marriage is something that is perfectly suitable to non-heterosexual people, why is it so bad for non-monogamous people to be legally wed? You support homosexual rights but not non-monogamous rights?

 

And what would you do if your child told you that they were gay?


He would know that I love him/her and will treat him/her the same as my heterosexual children, but I didn't support his/her lifestyle. 

So tell me more about "meaningless social acts" on this discussion forum involving video games. A little hypocritical, isn't it?

You realise that not everything in life has to have a productive purpose, right? If that were the case, we'd be nothing but robots.

I was referring to the marriage as being a meaningless social act, as the whole purpose of marriage up until the year 2000 was procreation.  A marriage between two people with the same sexual orientation is unnecessary.  The reason a man and woman get married to settle down with one another and start a family.  It's the whole purpose of the human race.  We need to have babies, otherwise we all die out in less than a hundred years.

So where is gay marriage disallowing heterosexual marriages? You're talking like it's a contageous disease or something, where if it's allowed, everyone will want it.

Look around you. Society is FULL of unnecessary things. I mean for gods sake, we have one of the greatest libraries of information ever known at our fingertips, yet plenty still use it to look up pictures of cats!

Besides, would you advocate forced heterosexual marriages if it meant the children were coming into a loveless household?

You must not have read my posts at all.  Nowhere did I say or even imply that gay marriage would disallow heterosexual marriage, I don't know where you're getting that from.  I also don't advocate marriage for anyone.  Do it if you want, otherwise don't do it.  I neither advocate it nor do I oppose it.  Also you're not addressing at all the underlying reason for marriage which is a man and woman having babies, so as to ensure the survival or our species.

It's implied in your response: 

"It's the whole purpose of the human race.  We need to have babies, otherwise we all die out in less than a hundred years."

So tell me, how does gay marriage stop that?

If, on the other hand, your point was to merely point out the use of marriage, how would you explain marriages where having kids are not intended, or sought after? By your logic, marriage should only occur if people INTEND to have children.



TruckOSaurus on 09 January 2013
killerzX said:
fordy said:
killerzX said:

 

what if he doesnt believe people are born gay?

I know with absolute certainty that when i have children, they wont be gay.

 


No you don't. You'll just be willfully ignorant, because they'd choose not to tell you about it.

And people wonder why the LBGT community has significantly higher rates of suicide...you'd wish that upon your kid?

yes i do. 

anyway i treat homosexuals witht eh exact same dignity and respect as any other person.

they are human beings, and I actually value the sanctity of human life.

You have chosen your username poorly then. Also, you don't have control over whether your children will turn out gay or straight.



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think-man on 09 January 2013

Im not against gay marriage, but I am against gays/lesbians having kids together. It's just not fare on the kids who will have to grow up in a house that is different from 95% of the population.



 

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fordy on 09 January 2013
killerzX said:
fordy said:
killerzX said:

 

what if he doesnt believe people are born gay?

I know with absolute certainty that when i have children, they wont be gay.

 


No you don't. You'll just be willfully ignorant, because they'd choose not to tell you about it.

And people wonder why the LBGT community has significantly higher rates of suicide...you'd wish that upon your kid?

yes i do. 

anyway i treat homosexuals witht eh exact same dignity and respect as any other person.

they are human beings, and I actually value the sanctity of human life.

 

Believe me, there are plenty of bigots who believe they'll never have gay kids, and those are the ones who generally never find out, because their kids open up to other people, such as helpgroups or suicide hotlines.

So tell me, what's your grand master plan should your child come to you and say they're gay? Disownerment? Excommunication?

And don't tell me your "plan" will work where eveyone else's has failed. Do you also think you're gonna live forever, where nobody else has succeeded? Foolish...



timmah on 09 January 2013

Marriage is designed to provide the best possible situation for procreating, both from a legal perspective and a tax perspective. I am a proponent of civil unions. Give homosexual couples the legal rights they need without changing the basic definition of marriage, sounds like a win-win for everybody! Also, what's there to stop a homosexual couple from having a ceremony to express their commitment? Nothing, they can still do that, and have similar legal rights to a married couple in this scenario.



killerzX on 09 January 2013
TruckOSaurus said:
killerzX said:
fordy said:
killerzX said:

 

what if he doesnt believe people are born gay?

I know with absolute certainty that when i have children, they wont be gay.

 


No you don't. You'll just be willfully ignorant, because they'd choose not to tell you about it.

And people wonder why the LBGT community has significantly higher rates of suicide...you'd wish that upon your kid?

yes i do. 

anyway i treat homosexuals witht eh exact same dignity and respect as any other person.

they are human beings, and I actually value the sanctity of human life.

You have chosen your username poorly then. Also, you don't have control over whether your children will turn out gay or straight.

i can guarentee that no child of mine will be born gay.



killerzX on 09 January 2013
fordy said:
killerzX said:
fordy said:
killerzX said:

 

what if he doesnt believe people are born gay?

I know with absolute certainty that when i have children, they wont be gay.

 


No you don't. You'll just be willfully ignorant, because they'd choose not to tell you about it.

And people wonder why the LBGT community has significantly higher rates of suicide...you'd wish that upon your kid?

yes i do. 

anyway i treat homosexuals witht eh exact same dignity and respect as any other person.

they are human beings, and I actually value the sanctity of human life.

 

Believe me, there are plenty of bigots who believe they'll never have gay kids, and those are the ones who generally never find out, because their kids open up to other people, such as helpgroups or suicide hotlines.

So tell me, what's your grand master plan should your child come to you and say they're gay? Disownerment? Excommunication?

And don't tell me your "plan" will work where eveyone else's has failed. Do you also think you're gonna live forever, where nobody else has succeeded? Foolish...

i dont believe people are born gay. i will not have a gay child I can ensure that. 

like i said, i value human life, i will treat them with love and dignity., the same as everybody else.

you are a very mean spirited person.