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Are you for or against gay marriage?

For 290 49.49%
 
Against 171 29.18%
 
don't know 16 2.73%
 
whatever who cares? 108 18.43%
 
Total:585
fordy on 09 January 2013
sperrico87 said:

You should be asking: "In what way are you for or against gay marriage?", as you can have both a personal opinion and an opinion with regard to politics or to the public.  For instance, I answered the poll question as "against" due to me personally being against it, but legally it is an entirely different matter.

My personal feelings are that, within my family, and with regards to raising my children, I will not tolerate homosexual marriage, and it will not be discussed or given any credibility in my home. Homosexual behavior ceases procreation, and therefore it serves no meaningful purpose, and is merely a social act with no significance.

Since government is involved, and that won't be changing anytime soon, my political opinion is that homosexuals cannot be prohibited from a legal marriage, as a government/ paper marriage is meaningless in the eyes of everything except the law, so therefore what does it matter to heterosexuals like myself if homosexuals commit to a legal marriage or not? I don't like it, I never will, but there isn't any reasonable legal basis for prohibiting it.

I should add, though, as I have in other threads about "gay marriage", that it is quite a double-standard for the people who advocate for these so-called "gay rights" when most of them would be horrified at the thought of legalizing plural marriage. I don't see any difference between the two. If marriage is something that is perfectly suitable to non-heterosexual people, why is it so bad for non-monogamous people to be legally wed? You support homosexual rights but not non-monogamous rights?

 

And what would you do if your child told you that they were gay?



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aikohualda on 09 January 2013

in government.... (US and other country) it would cost them more.. since now they dont have to pay a "single" tax which is a lot... same with insurances... since it is not recognize, their partner would not be cover and buy their own insurance... yeah $$$$$$$$ play a big role



 

Andrespetmonkey on 09 January 2013
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

It certainly didn't end slavery or pedophilia. 

Of course it did Andre :)

http://medicolegal.tripod.com/catholicsvslavery.htm

Oh, my apologies. So because a Christian institution was against slavery, slavery didn't happen when christianity became dominant in Europe. I guess the Atlantic slave trade is a total myth then. 

I think you didn't mention pedophilia for obvious reasons... and ironically you linked me to a Catholic institution.  

You'd have to be very naive to think it stopped homosexuality among leaders and generals. All it stopped is it being publicly known. 

Good enough for me lol :P

"quite a few problems" is a vast understatement, but don't interpret that as a bash against christianity, I recognise that the actual religious guidance/philosophy isn't strictly at fault. Corrupted leaders as you mention, for example, are a big part of it. 

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sperrico87 on 09 January 2013
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:

You should be asking: "In what way are you for or against gay marriage?", as you can have both a personal opinion and an opinion with regard to politics or to the public.  For instance, I answered the poll question as "against" due to me personally being against it, but legally it is an entirely different matter.

My personal feelings are that, within my family, and with regards to raising my children, I will not tolerate homosexual marriage, and it will not be discussed or given any credibility in my home. Homosexual behavior ceases procreation, and therefore it serves no meaningful purpose, and is merely a social act with no significance.

Since government is involved, and that won't be changing anytime soon, my political opinion is that homosexuals cannot be prohibited from a legal marriage, as a government/ paper marriage is meaningless in the eyes of everything except the law, so therefore what does it matter to heterosexuals like myself if homosexuals commit to a legal marriage or not? I don't like it, I never will, but there isn't any reasonable legal basis for prohibiting it.

I should add, though, as I have in other threads about "gay marriage", that it is quite a double-standard for the people who advocate for these so-called "gay rights" when most of them would be horrified at the thought of legalizing plural marriage. I don't see any difference between the two. If marriage is something that is perfectly suitable to non-heterosexual people, why is it so bad for non-monogamous people to be legally wed? You support homosexual rights but not non-monogamous rights?

 

And what would you do if your child told you that they were gay?


He would know that I love him/her and will treat him/her the same as my heterosexual children, but I didn't support his/her lifestyle. 



 

Muffin31190 on 09 January 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
Muffin31190 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
 

 

 

 

Or u could Just look at the history of the most influential person in Greek History and see that the video is Just BS. Alexander the Great, and if u dont know about him .. well He was Gay, pretty much every historian has come to that agreement that he was either a Homosexual or atleast Bisexual, So yeah homosexuality definitely looked down upon in Ancient Greece<---(sarcasm).
And i would have liked to believe the video that was posted (for the sake of historical fact) But none of the Statments made in the video were sourced, so the whole thing could have just been an opinion.

I don't know how homosexuality was looked upon in ancient greece.... since ya know... I dont live in that era. However, it is a huge misconceptopn that homosexuality was widely practiced by them. I know that Plato and Aristotle frowned upon it and that the works were refrenced in the video too. Both my wifes ancient greek and my ancient greek philosophy professor have said the same thing.

I see what ur saying but thats not the point im trying to make, and that is that the video that was posted is Wrong in which it said that it was a crime to commit homosexual acts and that homosexual's were virtually non-existant, it might be frowned upon by certain individual's (as you stated) but it was not unheard of to know of homosexual acts



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llewdebkram on 09 January 2013

Marriage is outdated and means little.
If you love someone that should be enough to keep you together and if you need an official ceremony to prove that you can't have total faith in your own love for one another.



Majora on 09 January 2013
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:

Do you know how many ancient societies allowed pedophilia by modern standards? A lot more than those that didn't, not that that's to say it makes it morally right, but to say they weren't exactly low on the morality spectrum. Anyway, this is irrelevant to my point, which is that the acceptence and documentation of homosexuality is not an exclusively modern phenomenon in the western world. My point has nothing to do with rights and wrongs.


Well then, we should be glad Christianity ended stuff like that in the Western World :)

I'm not one for oppression and persecution of innocent people, but you can be glad at whatever you want mate.

Im glad it brought end to slavery, pedophilia, animal/human sacriface, homosexuality among leaders and generals, paganism and idoltary.  Altho, I admit it brough quite the few problems as well, mostly coming from the corrupted leaders


You're glad it brought the end to homosexuality amongst leaders? Be glad all you want - it still happens. Just now it's not talked about publicly. And who the hell are you comparing fucking animals and kids to two CONSENTING men/women having sex? 99% of gay people just like 99% if heterosexual people find that abhorrent. Evil comes from within, not as part of a sexuality. The mind boggles with people like you.



fordy on 09 January 2013
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:
sperrico87 said:

You should be asking: "In what way are you for or against gay marriage?", as you can have both a personal opinion and an opinion with regard to politics or to the public.  For instance, I answered the poll question as "against" due to me personally being against it, but legally it is an entirely different matter.

My personal feelings are that, within my family, and with regards to raising my children, I will not tolerate homosexual marriage, and it will not be discussed or given any credibility in my home. Homosexual behavior ceases procreation, and therefore it serves no meaningful purpose, and is merely a social act with no significance.

Since government is involved, and that won't be changing anytime soon, my political opinion is that homosexuals cannot be prohibited from a legal marriage, as a government/ paper marriage is meaningless in the eyes of everything except the law, so therefore what does it matter to heterosexuals like myself if homosexuals commit to a legal marriage or not? I don't like it, I never will, but there isn't any reasonable legal basis for prohibiting it.

I should add, though, as I have in other threads about "gay marriage", that it is quite a double-standard for the people who advocate for these so-called "gay rights" when most of them would be horrified at the thought of legalizing plural marriage. I don't see any difference between the two. If marriage is something that is perfectly suitable to non-heterosexual people, why is it so bad for non-monogamous people to be legally wed? You support homosexual rights but not non-monogamous rights?

 

And what would you do if your child told you that they were gay?


He would know that I love him/her and will treat him/her the same as my heterosexual children, but I didn't support his/her lifestyle. 

So tell me more about "meaningless social acts" on this discussion forum involving video games. A little hypocritical, isn't it?

You realise that not everything in life has to have a productive purpose, right? If that were the case, we'd be nothing but robots.



Roma on 09 January 2013
warlord74 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOUR5HPg1Mc

Hard to poke holes in his argument.

that's actually very interesting! I never thought of if you use sperm to get pregnant by an unknown father could lead to you actually having your egg fertilized by your brother!

I thought they registered every person that donated sperm but according to him they don't! that's just disgusting!



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

TruckOSaurus on 09 January 2013
sperrico87 said:
fordy said:

 

And what would you do if your child told you that they were gay?


He would know that I love him/her and will treat him/her the same as my heterosexual children, but I didn't support his/her lifestyle. 

Would you welcome his/her partner in your family as your son/daughter in law?



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