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Are you for or against gay marriage?

For 290 49.49%
 
Against 171 29.18%
 
don't know 16 2.73%
 
whatever who cares? 108 18.43%
 
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fordy on 09 January 2013
killerzX said:
TruckOSaurus said:
killerzX said:
TruckOSaurus said:

I sure hope you don't have a gay child because he's gonna suffer needlessly.

i wont, and he wont

When did you choose to be straight?

same time i chose to live a moral life, and try not to sin.

anyway please dont quote me again, this goes for fordy to. i can tell this is going to be an endless cycle of unresolved disagreements.

bye, i wish you a long and fulfilling life.


I'm afraid I cannot comply with your wish. There is a difference between a disagreement and this. This is outright bigotry.



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BluGamer23 on 09 January 2013

Against because its just Gay!?



 

 

fordy on 09 January 2013
think-man said:

You just have to look at it from the childrens point of view, these four paragraphs alone from that article pretty much sum up my point.

Quite simply, growing up with gay parents was very difficult, and not because of prejudice from neighbors. People in our community didn’t really know what was going on in the house. To most outside observers, I was a well-raised, high-achieving child, finishing high school with straight A's.

Inside, however, I was confused. When your home life is so drastically different from everyone around you, in a fundamental way striking at basic physical relations, you grow up weird. I have no mental health disorders or biological conditions. I just grew up in a house so unusual that I was destined to exist as a social outcast.

He then goes on to say:

Regnerus’s study identified 248 adult children of parents who had same-sex romantic relationships. Offered a chance to provide frank responses with the hindsight of adulthood, they gave reports unfavorable to the gay marriage equality agenda. Yet the results are backed up by an important thing in life called common sense: Growing up different from other people is difficult and the difficulties raise the risk that children will develop maladjustments or self-medicate with alcohol and other dangerous behaviors. Each of those 248 is a human story, no doubt with many complexities.

Like my story, these 248 people’s stories deserve to be told. The gay movement is doing everything it can to make sure that nobody hears them. But I care more about the stories than the numbers (especially as an English professor), and Regnerus stumbled unwittingly on a narrative treasure chest.

So your response is, to society's outcasting of this child, is to punish the people who care for him, rather than the bigotry in society who deem him an outcast? You're seeing the logic of this, right? You say gay partners should not have children because it will make the chuildren social outcasts, but the reasoning behind why society believe it's weird is because it's something that HAS been repressed throughout society, and not the norm. Take for instance, single mothers. They used to be deemed whores or sluts in society, and the children got the same treatment. Do you see much of that anymore? No, because society has since accepted single parenting as a norm.



mysticwolf on 09 January 2013

Personally, I think gay marriage should be allowed. But that isn't what the Bible says. This is an internal struggle I've been having with God. Right now, I'm not sure whether I should support it or not. I'm kind of neutral right now I suppose.



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Cheebee on 09 January 2013
Majora said:
Some of the responses are disgusting, untrue and vulgar. This is why gay people are so vocal ("no one cared what you do, why so vocal gays?) and this thread proves why gay people still have to be so vocal about wanting EQUAL rights. Not equivalent but equal. I don't give a fuck what people think about me, just line you shouldn't give a fuck what I think about you, but using my sexual orientation (not my world contribution or my self less charity giving) as an excuse for stopping people doing what they wanna us disgusting. And no amount of discussion changes that. I'm a human; I breath, I eat, I sleep. My best friend lets me look after her kids without question. Why? Because I'm a functioning person who knows the difference between right and wrong. I've not an insidious agenda I'm just a person wanting to live. And even if this gets me banned - those who openly help to prevent me from living a full life that the 21st century offers is out of order. And I am very passionate about this because it directly affects me and the rest of my life!!!

+1.

And I wholeheartedly agree.



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leatherhat on 09 January 2013
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:

I personally don't care

Most arguments are religious based. The only one that I can think of is that many people fear things they can't understand, and since the vast majority of humans are straight.....ya. Also homosexuality hasn't been widely documented, let alone supported until the last 60 years or so. It'll take time to break the mindset humans have had since our dawn as a civilized race.

Historically homosexuality was pretty much accepted and well-documented in quite a few western cultures... like ancient Rome or Greece.


Homosexuality in roman culture  =/= homosexuality in our culture. 



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Majora on 09 January 2013

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naruball on 09 January 2013
Player1x3 said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
sales2099 said:

I personally don't care

Most arguments are religious based. The only one that I can think of is that many people fear things they can't understand, and since the vast majority of humans are straight.....ya. Also homosexuality hasn't been widely documented, let alone supported until the last 60 years or so. It'll take time to break the mindset humans have had since our dawn as a civilized race.

Historically homosexuality was pretty much accepted and well-documented in quite a few western cultures... like ancient Rome or Greece.

 That is actually a myth really... this video here explains it in details with lot of good points. It also shows some rather dirty and low deception tactics used by LGBT fanboys to create that myth

As someone who has been studying classics (Greek and Latin) most of his life and doing a phd at the moment, I have to say that that video is trash.  You can easily see the poster's bias from the beginning of the video in this quote:

"sources which are left out or get intentionally ignored by those who desire to link up classical Greece with certain phenomena of modern living. Ignored by those ribald persons who seek to polute our History and Heroes with their malicious poison".

No proffessional/scholarly opinion can be expressed after this. I have read literally about 80 articles on this or very relevant topics and not a single person shows such bias. Having lived in Greece for about 14 years, I've noticed that Greeks are under the impression that there is a consipracy aganist them from the west and that Americans are trying to argue that homosexuality was acceptable in Greece only to make them look bad -_-

On topic. Most people don't realise that this is a serious issue because it simply does not affect them. I'm sorry, but if you were handicaped and I said, well this is my opinion, so don't get offended, but i hate disabled people and don't believe that they deserve the same rights, I'm pretty sure you would be at least a bit hurt/offended. What if we didn't let couples who can't have babies get married, since it's a message from God? Or even old couples?

If they want to bring relegion to the laws, then fine. Ban synthetic clothes, prawns, allow parents to stone their children if they disobey etc. While we're at it, let's bring back slavery too. You can't use religion whenever it's convenient for you. Sorry, Op, I only mention religion because other people brought it up.



think-man on 09 January 2013
fordy said:
think-man said:

You just have to look at it from the childrens point of view, these four paragraphs alone from that article pretty much sum up my point.

Quite simply, growing up with gay parents was very difficult, and not because of prejudice from neighbors. People in our community didn’t really know what was going on in the house. To most outside observers, I was a well-raised, high-achieving child, finishing high school with straight A's.

Inside, however, I was confused. When your home life is so drastically different from everyone around you, in a fundamental way striking at basic physical relations, you grow up weird. I have no mental health disorders or biological conditions. I just grew up in a house so unusual that I was destined to exist as a social outcast.

He then goes on to say:

Regnerus’s study identified 248 adult children of parents who had same-sex romantic relationships. Offered a chance to provide frank responses with the hindsight of adulthood, they gave reports unfavorable to the gay marriage equality agenda. Yet the results are backed up by an important thing in life called common sense: Growing up different from other people is difficult and the difficulties raise the risk that children will develop maladjustments or self-medicate with alcohol and other dangerous behaviors. Each of those 248 is a human story, no doubt with many complexities.

Like my story, these 248 people’s stories deserve to be told. The gay movement is doing everything it can to make sure that nobody hears them. But I care more about the stories than the numbers (especially as an English professor), and Regnerus stumbled unwittingly on a narrative treasure chest.

So your response is, to society's outcasting of this child, is to punish the people who care for him, rather than the bigotry in society who deem him an outcast? You're seeing the logic of this, right? You say gay partners should not have children because it will make the chuildren social outcasts, but the reasoning behind why society believe it's weird is because it's something that HAS been repressed throughout society, and not the norm. Take for instance, single mothers. They used to be deemed whores or sluts in society, and the children got the same treatment. Do you see much of that anymore? No, because society has since accepted single parenting as a norm.

I can see that we aren't getting anywhere with this, so lets agree to disagree.

Have a good day.



 

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fordy on 09 January 2013
think-man said:
fordy said:
think-man said:

You just have to look at it from the childrens point of view, these four paragraphs alone from that article pretty much sum up my point.

Quite simply, growing up with gay parents was very difficult, and not because of prejudice from neighbors. People in our community didn’t really know what was going on in the house. To most outside observers, I was a well-raised, high-achieving child, finishing high school with straight A's.

Inside, however, I was confused. When your home life is so drastically different from everyone around you, in a fundamental way striking at basic physical relations, you grow up weird. I have no mental health disorders or biological conditions. I just grew up in a house so unusual that I was destined to exist as a social outcast.

He then goes on to say:

Regnerus’s study identified 248 adult children of parents who had same-sex romantic relationships. Offered a chance to provide frank responses with the hindsight of adulthood, they gave reports unfavorable to the gay marriage equality agenda. Yet the results are backed up by an important thing in life called common sense: Growing up different from other people is difficult and the difficulties raise the risk that children will develop maladjustments or self-medicate with alcohol and other dangerous behaviors. Each of those 248 is a human story, no doubt with many complexities.

Like my story, these 248 people’s stories deserve to be told. The gay movement is doing everything it can to make sure that nobody hears them. But I care more about the stories than the numbers (especially as an English professor), and Regnerus stumbled unwittingly on a narrative treasure chest.

So your response is, to society's outcasting of this child, is to punish the people who care for him, rather than the bigotry in society who deem him an outcast? You're seeing the logic of this, right? You say gay partners should not have children because it will make the chuildren social outcasts, but the reasoning behind why society believe it's weird is because it's something that HAS been repressed throughout society, and not the norm. Take for instance, single mothers. They used to be deemed whores or sluts in society, and the children got the same treatment. Do you see much of that anymore? No, because society has since accepted single parenting as a norm.

I can see that we aren't getting anywhere with this, so lets agree to disagree.

Have a good day.


The single parent argument is logical and just. Why wont you argue against it? Are you afraid that society WILL accept children of gay couples just like children of single parents someday?

What's you're trying to defend is bigoted views by society. I still can't see how you're sticking to that...