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VGKing on 09 January 2013
Nem said:
VGKing said:
Nem said:
VGKing said:
Nem said:
If Sony doesnt release the Ps4 this year and Microsoft releases the 720, its game over for them. They have no choice here. Its either release this year or face bankrupcy.

NOPE.

I hope you were being sarcastic because if you really belive that you should probably seriously re-read that and see how ridiculous it sounds.


It doesnt sound ridiculous at all. Sony is in a difficult situation, and the PS3 did not have an easy first 5 years. With the Wii U dominating Japan and with Microsoft dominating the US, both unopposed for one year will leave Sony in a difficult situation in the market.

I dont know if you've been hiding under a rock, but Sony's credit rating has been cut to trash. This means that just to pay their debts Sony is gonna incur on an interest rate that should be about the 10% by now. That is a really difficult situation and why the Vita has not received a price cut. Sony needs money fast, they cannot afford any more mishaps or delays. If the PS4 fails to be competitive quickly, Sony will lose even more investor support since the Playstation is their most valuable brand at the moment. If that brand falters, theres nothing else preventing Sony from sinking like the Titanic.

 

If its any confort, i do wish that doesnt happen as i'd like to get a PS4 next gen. Believe me, Sony doesnt want to wait until next year.

Not sure if serious.....if a delayed PS3 release at $600 didn't destroy the Playstation brand, nothing will.
Yes, a delayed PS4 will make it an uphill battle in the 8th generation of consoles but Sony isn't only in the video games market. A failed PS4 released wouldn't bankrupt the company. That is just ridiculous.


What makes you think the Playstation brand didnt lose value with the Ps3? It most certainly did.

You mean marketshare? I never denied that it lost marketshare. 
Look at PS3 now. It was the best selling console the last 2 years. The Playstation brand isn't in any danger and it will start off next-gen with more brand power than the Wii U did and more than the Xbox 720 will.

PS3 will go out with a bang, not a whimper. 



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VGKing on 09 January 2013
slowmo said:
Dodece said:

Sony is a conglomerate, and since I doubt the word means anything to you I will expain it to you. A conglomerate is a company that has divisions that actually do business in a lot of unrelated industries. On the whole Sony's divisions that are doing badly are losing more money then the divisions that are doing well. Basically the console divisions profits are being spent covering losses, and the losses are still greater then the gains. Which is why Sony has been forced to offer up stock option bonds, and has had to delve into its financial reserves to cover the difference. The companies cash reserves are finite, and the company is hardly credit worthy. So Sony is finding it harder to borrow. So no it doesn't mean anything, and it has nothing to do with it being Sony. I would apply this same logic to any other company in this exact same position.

I suppose you would argue that people who have cancer should just roll over and die too. A company in dire straights isn't a company without hope. Maybe the company won't survive this situation, but then again maybe it will. It is entirely possible that Sony could fester five years, and suddenly come out with another break out hit. That turns into a cash generating machine. That said I think you need to grow up, and act like the age your profile says you are. I don't know what kind of world you are living in, but sometimes in this life companies just like people have to do things to get by. If your family is starving, and you have to crawl around in pig shit all day long to feed them. Then that is what you do. You don't give up until there isn't a single chance left. The management, employees, and the stock holders of Sony need this company to carry on. Throwing a shit fit, and walking away from their responsibilities isn't a option. They will keep trying until they find a way or run out of chances, and that is just how it is.

Nintendo lost the console wars, but that isn't the same as getting the stuffing beat out of them. The difference being that Nintendo didn't lose money trying. They sold their hardware at a profit, sold a lot of their own first party software, and had the best selling portable gaming device. Nintendo actually did quite well for itself. It is a object lesson in going with the flow. Nintendo didn't need to dominate the market as a whole to be successful. They just needed to cater to a market of loyal consumers. Which was large enough to sustain the company in the industry. Sony would do well to learn some of these lessons from Nintendo. That is how Nintendo wasn't trounced, and this is how Sony was.

Others have shown you the graphs that show you how much Sony lost. The past generation is the text book definition of a Pyrrhic victory. Those losses probably don't even take into account the seven hundred million dollars in loans that Sony has to pay interest on that it took out to fund production of the PS3, or the overhaul of the online security that had to happen, because of the whole jailbreaking fiasco. That saw Sony getting hacked every other day for about two whole months straight. The answer to your question would seem to be self apparent. Were Sony to eat such losses again the company would likely go bankrupt, but you can relax. Sony wouldn't bankrupt the company to salvage a PS4 doing that poorly. No they would just abandon the product.

Propaganda isn't a substitute for facts. I hope you understand that if you continue on this route. All you are going to get for your effort is pulverized. Think what you want about this community, but we aren't slouches. We know a great deal about what we are talking about, and many of us have been on this site since the start of this past generation. We have a real good grasp of what happened, when it happened, and why it happened. Sony basically created a hostage situation that it couldn't walk away from. They couldn't allow the PS3 to die like it ought to have, because it would have destroyed their chip business, their new media format, their software studios, and their home console line. They were pot committed, and they were going to lose a lot of money no matter which way they went.


Excellent post, impressed you had the patience to be honest as I find his posting style obnoxious.

+1
What an amazing post. If you are going to write a 5-summary comment at least add something to the discussion.

There's a user a few pages back who wrote an essay which long story short "Sony is doomed". He tries so hard to seem like a reasonable poster when in reality he is baiting others into an argument. Props to you Dodece. 



osed125 on 09 January 2013
VGKing said:
osed125 said:
EdHieron said:
Vinniegambini said:
EdHieron said:
 


Yeah like outselling the competitors by 100,000 to 400,000 consoles each and every week doesn't mean anything when Sony's doing it.

If they're in such dire shape as you and the others like you point out, why don't they just say they're going out of business tomorrow and be done with the whole thing without going through the whole process of releasing a console that's beneath them?

And you use Nintendo as an example; however, Nintendo got the stuffing beat out of them two gens in a row not one like Sony ( and considering the fact that Playstation 3 is the best selling console out of the 3 for the last two years of the gen and beating the other consoles soundly every week now) why wouldn't they be interested in following a similar path next time?

If Sony follows the same business model as they did with PS3, losing over 4.5 billion $, they will be bankrupt within 2 years.


So, if Sony releases a console that's outselling the competitors every week week at the end of next gen, they'll be bankrupt?  That doesn't make much sense.

You're ignoring the billions Sony lost during the first half of the gen. Sony hasn't recovered from that (and probably never will). 

Stop bringing up the past. I can see people like you saying this same comment even if PS4 was the #1 console every week outselling the competition
"b-b-but PS3 lost them billions! it doesn't matter if PS4 is profitable!"

This is actually extremely relevant when you are trying to decided if a console is successful or not business wise. Especially considering the current financial situation Sony currently is. People will stop talking about when Sony recovers all the money lost.

This by no means implies the console itself is a failure, it has amazing games, this is strictly  business wise.



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supermariodance on 09 January 2013
EdHieron said:
Chandler said:
EdHieron said:
cheese_man said:
EdHieron said:

However, the most important reason in my opinion that we won't see PS4 in stores in 2013 is that Sony's not going to release it until after the Playstation 3 has finally passed the Xbox 360


What does this matter and how does it make it the most important reason? No really, I genuinely don't understand, do they want to advertise as being the 2nd most popular console of last gen so you should buy a ps4?

Also why can't they continue to profit from the ps3 after the ps4 launch? Ps3 may even outsell the ps4/xb3 early on.


I think when it's all said and done 360 and PS3 will be considered a different gen from the Wii.  Especially since Wii stopped selling in dramatic numbers some time ago and 360 and PS3 had well over 50% of the 7th gen's marketshare.


I heard Sony and MS also share a bank account. Oh wait, they don't. Stop lumping them together. Wii beat you, get over it.

 

I hope the PS4 releases the same day Pokemon does. I want to see what happens.


The PS3 will pass Wii in 2015 (2014 in Japan).

Sorry,but I don't see that happen,because by 2015 the PS3 will be dead.



Nem on 09 January 2013
VGKing said:
Nem said:
VGKing said:
Nem said:
VGKing said:
Nem said:
If Sony doesnt release the Ps4 this year and Microsoft releases the 720, its game over for them. They have no choice here. Its either release this year or face bankrupcy.

NOPE.

I hope you were being sarcastic because if you really belive that you should probably seriously re-read that and see how ridiculous it sounds.


It doesnt sound ridiculous at all. Sony is in a difficult situation, and the PS3 did not have an easy first 5 years. With the Wii U dominating Japan and with Microsoft dominating the US, both unopposed for one year will leave Sony in a difficult situation in the market.

I dont know if you've been hiding under a rock, but Sony's credit rating has been cut to trash. This means that just to pay their debts Sony is gonna incur on an interest rate that should be about the 10% by now. That is a really difficult situation and why the Vita has not received a price cut. Sony needs money fast, they cannot afford any more mishaps or delays. If the PS4 fails to be competitive quickly, Sony will lose even more investor support since the Playstation is their most valuable brand at the moment. If that brand falters, theres nothing else preventing Sony from sinking like the Titanic.

 

If its any confort, i do wish that doesnt happen as i'd like to get a PS4 next gen. Believe me, Sony doesnt want to wait until next year.

Not sure if serious.....if a delayed PS3 release at $600 didn't destroy the Playstation brand, nothing will.
Yes, a delayed PS4 will make it an uphill battle in the 8th generation of consoles but Sony isn't only in the video games market. A failed PS4 released wouldn't bankrupt the company. That is just ridiculous.


What makes you think the Playstation brand didnt lose value with the Ps3? It most certainly did.

You mean marketshare? I never denied that it lost marketshare. 
Look at PS3 now. It was the best selling console the last 2 years. The Playstation brand isn't in any danger and it will start off next-gen with more brand power than the Wii U did and more than the Xbox 720 will.

PS3 will go out with a bang, not a whimper. 


No, its not the same as market share.

I will pull out a definition for you:

Brand equity is a phrase used in the marketing industry which describes the value of having a well-known brand name, based on the idea that the owner of a well-known brand name can generate more money from products with that brand name than from products with a less well known name, as consumers believe that a product with a well-known name is better than products with less well known names.[1][2][3][4] Another word for "brand equity" is "brand value" or "brand recognition".

 

Its basically the potencial of revenue generation investors believe the company to have by itself or wich a specific line of products that has its own brand.

Before the PS3, Playstation was a brand of unrivaled sucess due to the PSone and PS2 dominating their respective markets. When the PS3 failed to do that, that solid reputation was lost and the Playstation brand is no longer the "invicible" brand it once was. The PS3 proved that Playstation can lose, and thus its a higher risk. The playstation brand is not the synomn of as much profitability and earning as it was in the past. That is why its not worth as much as it used to (even though its now Sony's most valuable brand). 

To complete the tought though, its through that brand recognition that investors can choose to lend money to Sony, because that brand is evaluated as worth X ammount of money and factored in on the chances that the investers will actually get their money back.



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SunofKratos on 13 January 2013

Wow are there really people thinking that PS4 will not release in 2013. All the signs say it will release this year.
This year its a matter which company release the first details and get the most buzz for there console. The console manufacturer which get less buzz will maybe cancel there console for 2014. Sony will not give the competition a year headstart or two again. That would be the biggest mistake they can do.

And for the power. I dont know which route they go with pS4 but even if they make some losses with there console there is much other opputurnitys to make profit again.

For Example

PS3 sales
PS3 and PS4 and PS vita software
PS4 Dualshock Controller
Eye Toy Cam 2.0
Ps Move 2.0
PS network
Lizenzes
Ps vita memory cards ( big money maker)
Accesoires ( like wonderbook for an example)

So i wouldnt be to worry about the profits.



Alby_da_Wolf on 14 January 2013
SunofKratos said:
Wow are there really people thinking that PS4 will not release in 2013. All the signs say it will release this year.
This year its a matter which company release the first details and get the most buzz for there console. The console manufacturer which get less buzz will maybe cancel there console for 2014. Sony will not give the competition a year headstart or two again. That would be the biggest mistake they can do.

And for the power. I dont know which route they go with pS4 but even if they make some losses with there console there is much other opputurnitys to make profit again.

For Example

PS3 sales
PS3 and PS4 and PS vita software
PS4 Dualshock Controller
Eye Toy Cam 2.0
Ps Move 2.0
PS network
Lizenzes
Ps vita memory cards ( big money maker)
Accesoires ( like wonderbook for an example)

So i wouldnt be to worry about the profits.


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SunofKratos on 14 January 2013

At alby:No Problem i dont take everything so fucking seriously.



EdHieron on 22 January 2013

The news that emerged yesterday that Sony will let Microsoft make the first move ( http://n4g.com/news/1158634/ps4-sony-will-let-microsoft-make-first-move ) confirms my hypothesis in the OP that the Playstation 3 is doing too well for Sony to simply rush an underpowered PS4 that is basically only two PS3s taped together and only a step up from Wii U ( as many have predicted with all their talk about PS4 only being a moderately powered console) to the market.



elazz on 13 April 2014
EdHieron said:
The news that emerged yesterday that Sony will let Microsoft make the first move ( http://n4g.com/news/1158634/ps4-sony-will-let-microsoft-make-first-move ) confirms my hypothesis in the OP that the Playstation 3 is doing too well for Sony to simply rush an underpowered PS4 that is basically only two PS3s taped together and only a step up from Wii U ( as many have predicted with all their talk about PS4 only being a moderately powered console) to the market.


Nice predictions :p well, there were a lot of people who didn't saw Sony stepping up like this, some of them were employees at Microsoft ;)



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