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For most people

Yes 41 70.69%
 
No 17 29.31%
 
Total:58

Yep.



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HesAPooka said:
I've been pretty unproductive and unsuccessful for about 3 years now. Why? because I've been sick and in and out of dr's offices who can't figure out wtf is wrong with me. If this keeps up is it my fault? I've been to about 9 dr's. 6 Specialists, and 3 general practitioners. They all agree something is wrong, but don't know what so they just keep passing me around to the next one. Not sure if they're lazy or just don't give a damn, but all I know is in the last 3 years I've done nothing with my life.

And not to downplay ur illness, but i can give you examples of people liek Stephen Hawkins who cannot even move and is one of the most accomplished scientist and also i knew a guy from medical school who is legally blind, he went on to do psychiatry as well. Finding ways to cope with your situation and overcoming the odds at all cost i suspect was the OP's original intent to this thread.



Majora said:
Umm what exactly are we classing as unsuccessful here? How are we measuring success??


Back in college, i used this quote alot and in one of my essay as well. It's from Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

“Success:  To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children, to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived.  This is to have succeeded!”

 

I think it's a good quote and applies to most people.

 

 



xwan said:
Majora said:
Umm what exactly are we classing as unsuccessful here? How are we measuring success??


Back in college, i used this quote alot and in one of my essay as well. It's from Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

“Success:  To laugh often and much, to win the respect of intelligent people and the affection of children, to earn the appreciation of honest critics and endure the betrayal of false friends, to appreciate beauty, to find the best in others, to leave the world a bit better, whether by a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived.  This is to have succeeded!”

 

I think it's a good quote and applies to most people.

 

 

Haha in that case I feel pretty darn successful!! This has started the day on a happy note!! Thanks =D



xwan said:
HesAPooka said:
I've been pretty unproductive and unsuccessful for about 3 years now. Why? because I've been sick and in and out of dr's offices who can't figure out wtf is wrong with me. If this keeps up is it my fault? I've been to about 9 dr's. 6 Specialists, and 3 general practitioners. They all agree something is wrong, but don't know what so they just keep passing me around to the next one. Not sure if they're lazy or just don't give a damn, but all I know is in the last 3 years I've done nothing with my life.


I can guarantee you that no doctors would like to see their patients sick, we have no shortage of sick people. I wish they would stop coming. There are still alot of medical problems that we do not know about and I suspect some rare conditions are not even described in textbooks.  There are also alot of 'vague' shit that is poorly defined such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, so on so forth...those diagnosis are sort of 'trash basket' diagnosis and are diagnosis of 'exclusion'. But i cannot speak for your '9' doctors. What kinds of symptoms are you experiencing exactly?


I sent you a PM. 



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

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HesAPooka said:
xwan said:
HesAPooka said:
I've been pretty unproductive and unsuccessful for about 3 years now. Why? because I've been sick and in and out of dr's offices who can't figure out wtf is wrong with me. If this keeps up is it my fault? I've been to about 9 dr's. 6 Specialists, and 3 general practitioners. They all agree something is wrong, but don't know what so they just keep passing me around to the next one. Not sure if they're lazy or just don't give a damn, but all I know is in the last 3 years I've done nothing with my life.


I can guarantee you that no doctors would like to see their patients sick, we have no shortage of sick people. I wish they would stop coming. There are still alot of medical problems that we do not know about and I suspect some rare conditions are not even described in textbooks.  There are also alot of 'vague' shit that is poorly defined such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, so on so forth...those diagnosis are sort of 'trash basket' diagnosis and are diagnosis of 'exclusion'. But i cannot speak for your '9' doctors. What kinds of symptoms are you experiencing exactly?


I sent you a PM. 

I send you a PM back, the last case I saw like the one you described was a long time ago when I was a medical student. See if it fits the description. I haven't seen a case in the past 3-4 years.



HesAPooka said:
xwan said:
HesAPooka said:
I've been pretty unproductive and unsuccessful for about 3 years now. Why? because I've been sick and in and out of dr's offices who can't figure out wtf is wrong with me. If this keeps up is it my fault? I've been to about 9 dr's. 6 Specialists, and 3 general practitioners. They all agree something is wrong, but don't know what so they just keep passing me around to the next one. Not sure if they're lazy or just don't give a damn, but all I know is in the last 3 years I've done nothing with my life.


I can guarantee you that no doctors would like to see their patients sick, we have no shortage of sick people. I wish they would stop coming. There are still alot of medical problems that we do not know about and I suspect some rare conditions are not even described in textbooks.  There are also alot of 'vague' shit that is poorly defined such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, so on so forth...those diagnosis are sort of 'trash basket' diagnosis and are diagnosis of 'exclusion'. But i cannot speak for your '9' doctors. What kinds of symptoms are you experiencing exactly?


I sent you a PM. 

Just to add the work load that some doctors have make it so they cannot spend enough time dianosing problems. My mom had problems of losing her sight every now and then, was lythargic (but she still did all of her work), and became really irritable at times. She also started to gain weight. (She was 110lbs for until she was 38 then she couldn't loose the weight. She had doctors tell her it was all in her head. (It thought that view went out during the mid-20th century.) It took 5 years to get a correct disnosis, when she was loosing her sight she had a sever baterial infection that killed off her thyroid amoung other lymphnodes, which caused her lythargic state and weight gain. Now it is under control but she hasn't been able to loose weight because she fell down some stairs and dimolished her right foot so she cannot even walk correctly. (The doctors are actually surprised she can walk, every bone in her right foot was broken and the mussles where ripped; she had to have her foot pinned and stiched together.)



BlkPaladin said:
HesAPooka said:
xwan said:
HesAPooka said:
I've been pretty unproductive and unsuccessful for about 3 years now. Why? because I've been sick and in and out of dr's offices who can't figure out wtf is wrong with me. If this keeps up is it my fault? I've been to about 9 dr's. 6 Specialists, and 3 general practitioners. They all agree something is wrong, but don't know what so they just keep passing me around to the next one. Not sure if they're lazy or just don't give a damn, but all I know is in the last 3 years I've done nothing with my life.


I can guarantee you that no doctors would like to see their patients sick, we have no shortage of sick people. I wish they would stop coming. There are still alot of medical problems that we do not know about and I suspect some rare conditions are not even described in textbooks.  There are also alot of 'vague' shit that is poorly defined such as fibromyalgia, chronic fatigue syndrome, so on so forth...those diagnosis are sort of 'trash basket' diagnosis and are diagnosis of 'exclusion'. But i cannot speak for your '9' doctors. What kinds of symptoms are you experiencing exactly?


I sent you a PM. 

Just to add the work load that some doctors have make it so they cannot spend enough time dianosing problems. My mom had problems of losing her sight every now and then, was lythargic (but she still did all of her work), and became really irritable at times. She also started to gain weight. (She was 110lbs for until she was 38 then she couldn't loose the weight. She had doctors tell her it was all in her head. (It thought that view went out during the mid-20th century.) It took 5 years to get a correct disnosis, when she was loosing her sight she had a sever baterial infection that killed off her thyroid amoung other lymphnodes, which caused her lythargic state and weight gain. Now it is under control but she hasn't been able to loose weight because she fell down some stairs and dimolished her right foot so she cannot even walk correctly. (The doctors are actually surprised she can walk, every bone in her right foot was broken and the mussles where ripped; she had to have her foot pinned and stiched together.)

Is your primary care doctor sleeping? sorry man but lethary, lack of energy, and weight gain are classic symptoms for hypothyroidism. That should be the first thing to check in an young-middle age female. I don't think it's bacterial though, it's probably autoimmune. Bacterial tends to be somewhat of an acute problem. Anways, hindsight is always 20/20 right? maybe she had completely normal thyroid stimulating hormone and free T4 that threw the PMD at a loop. Which can happen.

 

What I have found is that most missed diagnosis are not "strange disease" but rather common diseases that presents atypically.

Most docs diagnosed based on pattern recognization thats in the textbook; when the pattern does not fit the classic pattern is when things become difficult. You cannot rely on labs and imaging studies as well; they are not 100% sensitive or specific

 

Anyways i need to go to bed, i got clinic tomorrow. later guys



Why are you guys implying poor people will have bad parents? I had much better parents than half of my middle-class friends. I would think bad parenting is more of a cultural thing than a socioeconomic one.