I'm not going after the Wii U as I haven't called the Wii U a flop. I'm merely asking if those people still have the same definition of flop, or if they've changed their methodology as it fits their agenda. The only people that could be going after the Wii U are people who think expectations determine a game flopping.

Yes, we've had a thread discussing the definition of "flop" but it was not convincing. This thread is much more convincing - the best way to expose broken logic is to use that logic against the user. I believe this is the most effective way to convince someone that they're wrong.

That would be a good thread to do.  Want to start one and then point this thread to it?  There is REALLY BAD predictions going on.  I had done one asking why people expected millions of sales out of Playstation All-Stars, for example.  So, having a thread on the predictions all around, is worth looking into.

LOL, it looks like I made very optimistic predictions for almost every console and portabe. So, according to this criterion, I should consider almost everything a flop or a major flop.

honestly i don't see any console doing well at launch for a long time look at the vita and 3DS after launch but granted the 3DS is doing well and the vita is slowly getting going

lets create a thread to redefine what flop means to make the WiiU look like it's not a "flop" just like we did in the Vita thread

Haha i didn't say all PS3s I just said the super slim ones will be outsold by Wii U, because they were both released end of 2012. But of course I don't think we had any way of separating different types of PS3 (bigs, slims, or super slims) sales.  And by the way, I did mean 2012 - you just read what you wanted to read, not what was actaully there. I still maintian Wii U outsold PS3 supper slim, between launch to end 2012

And none of those consoles were released in the middle of the worst worldwide recession seen in donkey's years. The Wii U is selling fine.

Nintendo is making money just after one game sold per wiiU, so to call it a flop is a complete nonsense. I don't remember if I predited any number, but if we go by what Aielyn stated, then my friend we have a very successful console in front of us...

Fair enough, but if you don't mind my saying so, I think a lot of the 'intended audience' is missing the point and just sees this as another Wii U doom thread. What we're getting here is a lot of people defending the Wii U and saying it's not a flop, not people apologizing for calling other things flops in the past and suggesting they've been wrong about the word.

Who praised the sales numbers of the PS3 launch? I said the price was one of the major reasons it didn't sell well early in the generation and started very slow. The Wii U standard is launching at almost half the price the PS3 did, I think that effects sales numbers quite a bit. Pretty sure the 3DO was not a success. And of course supply constraints matter, if the console is always in short supply from the manufacturers then it's harder to buy.