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Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
killerzX said:
Mr Khan said:
I do think it will be a better thing in the long run if we allow the subsidies to expire, because then we can have a more productive debate about which subsidies really need to stay and which ones are better left expired.

Like most political institutions, farm subsidies had their noble origin.


glad we can see eye to eye.

we should start with planned parenthood and pbs/nbr

I meant ag subsidies specifically.

Planned Parenthood is a teriffic investment, and it's a shame that they can't get abortion funding. Reproductive advancement is one of the quickest ways to advance a society.


yeah feeding people is a horrible investment, killing is much better. less mouths to feed means less food needed!

Possibly my fault as i didn't specify, but i meant that we should let certain agriculture subsidies stay gone, while others come back. Farmers obviously deserve support, but to what degree, and for what specifically, is another question entirely. Hitting off cotton subsidies would really help West Africa, and corn subsidies would improve the health of our food drastically.

well personally im for the ending of all subsidies. though there are several i hate more than others.



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Also, for those who want some information, here is an article: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/12/29/the-milk-cliff-explained-why-a-gallon-may-soon-hit-7.html

You will discover that this literally has absolutely nothing to do with subsidies ending, but instead, has to do with the 1949 Agricultural Act. This act includes a mandate that the secretary of agriculture set a minimum price on milk. This bill from 1949 states the price is $39.53 per hundred pounds.

If the Farm Bill passed in 2008 expires (which it is set to at the end of 2012), we will be forced to have that minimum price of $39.53 per hundred pounds, which is considerably more than the $19 to $20 that farmers actually need.

If you take the current national average milk price of $3.56/gallon, you will come out to an average of about $7/gallon due to the increase in price per pound.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

To continue on further, how they are coming up with $7/gallon is incorrect. They are insinuating that the price per pound paid for milk is the ONLY determining factor for how much we pay per gallon in the stores.

It isn't. All other input prices are staying the exact same (packaging, shipping, etc.), as well as the profit per gallon from the store's end not necessarily doubling from this.

So while the 1949 bill coming into effect would result in a significant price increase in milk, it will not likely result in a doubling of the price paid in stores per gallon of milk.



Money can't buy happiness. Just video games, which make me happy.

Oh, and in case this still doesn't make sense to people, I'll put it much more simply:

Farmers are going to be making so incredibly much money after this goes into effect it isn't even funny.



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the_dengle said:
Adinnieken said:


This is actually Neoclassical, it's based on the classic Greek and Roman architecture styles, not Colonial. 

However, to call it colonial era architecture would be generous, as both design and construction began in 1792.  The 19th century (1800s) were the end of the colonial era.  So while technically correct, you're skating in by the short hairs.  Nevertheless, neither were occupied until 1801 and 1800 respectively. 

That was an awful lot of work to say "1/5, do more research next time."

I was being fair.



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FYI -

I don't think the fiscal cliff ends farm subsidies.

What it does is ends a rule that overrode a law from post-WWII forcing the Agriculture Dept. to buy milk at a price more than double the current price. So the price of milk would skyrocket due to the lower volume of milk available.

In fact, it would appear a farm subsidy will be enabled by the fiscal cliff in that the US government will be buying milk at a considerable premium despite the fact that the market is much lower.

http://www.examiner.com/article/milk-prices-to-fall-off-fiscal-cliff-to-8-gallon-if-republicans-fail-to-act



Good about time, now if we just end college subsidies.

End college subsidies -> Lower enrolment in colleges -> Supply becomes greater than demand > Price of school drops NATURALLY

The market does a better job than the government.



spurgeonryan said:

Are you prepared to spend 7 dollars on a gallon of milk?



This clearly shows you know nothing about civics. Congress spends the money, makes the laws and tax's, not the president. The president either signs a bill that congress comes up with or veto's it. The republicans had a plan b in the house and john boehner couldn't even get the republicans to vote on there own bill. Not sure if you have noticed but the republicans are having a civil war.

However lets also add that republicans only keeped the house because they won a lot of state legislatures in 2010 and redrew congressional districts way in there favor, So much so that democrates had 500,000 votes more in the house and republicans still held onto the house by 17 seats. The republican party is in massive decline.

 Oh and democrates passed a plan in the senate months ago and John Boener won't put it up to a vote in the house because it would pass and he is scared to loss his speakership.

It's nice to know that you watch corporate news and don't even understand the order of things in the goverment. Have fun being mad  when it's the republicans blocking everything because there scared of grover norquist threatening to beat them in primaries if they don't do what he says. So it's great you got a guy not even elected owning the republican party by the balls. LOL

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/12/boehner-sabotaged-lunatic-wing-republican-party?google_editors_picks=true

 



Marks said:
Good about time, now if we just end college subsidies.

End college subsidies -> Lower enrolment in colleges -> Supply becomes greater than demand > Price of school drops NATURALLY

The market does a better job than the government.


LOL What???

Bull sh-t. LOL



Adinnieken said:
the_dengle said:
Adinnieken said:


This is actually Neoclassical, it's based on the classic Greek and Roman architecture styles, not Colonial. 

However, to call it colonial era architecture would be generous, as both design and construction began in 1792.  The 19th century (1800s) were the end of the colonial era.  So while technically correct, you're skating in by the short hairs.  Nevertheless, neither were occupied until 1801 and 1800 respectively. 

That was an awful lot of work to say "1/5, do more research next time."

I was being fair.

Well I appreciate your thoroughness. Maybe the next time neoclassical architecture comes up I won't come off as a total noob.