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Hynad said:
the2real4mafol said:
i don't know why they need so much RAM, they have been fine with 512mb for the last 6/ 7 years. Even on PC, most games don't need more than 3gb or 4gb so far


So far, yes. But we're talking about systems that aren't yet released and will be expected to last for at least 5 years. Able to run engines such as the latest Cry Engine, Unreal 4, and S-E's Luminous. Able to support the latest Direct X/OGL features. And of course, all of this at (finally) true-HD resolution, 1080p, while maintening a framerate as smootyh as possible, be it locked at 30 with no drops, or steady at 60. That's not mentioning 3D support.

Now, since it's pretty obvious that the money is made from the console versions of their games (mostly), I can understand why third party developers wish that they could make their vision come true on consoles that have as much under their hood as possible.

It just seems like a bit ridiculous to jump from 512mb to 8gb, but if it benefit our games then why not i guess. I personally don't care if graphics get any better for now, i just want better physics and more specific detail in a game now. But i guess they would need 8gb if they want to support 4k resolution on the PS4 as well



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the2real4mafol said:

It just seems like a bit ridiculous to jump from 512mb to 8gb...


Well, if you look at previous gen jumps, not really:

XBOX to 360 - 64MB to 512MB - 8x in 4 years

PS2 to PS3 - 32+4MB to 512 MB - 14x in 6 years

If they launch at the end of 2013. that will be 8 full years for 360 and 7 for PS3 - I'd say 8GB is about right.

 



HoloDust said:
the2real4mafol said:

It just seems like a bit ridiculous to jump from 512mb to 8gb...


Well, if you look at previous gen jumps, not really:

XBOX to 360 - 64MB to 512MB - 8x in 4 years

PS2 to PS3 - 32+4MB to 512 MB - 14x in 6 years

If they launch at the end of 2013. that will be 8 full years for 360 and 7 for PS3 - I'd say 8GB is about right.

 

Wow thanks for sharing, thats very interesting to know



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HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:
HappySqurriel said:
Birimbau said:

8Gb RAM is something natural for next gen, I don't know why people here are crying because of something like this, all Sony consoles, for example, had their memory increased by 16 times, with PS4 won't be different.

 

PS1 - 2MB

PS2 - 32MB(16x 2MB)

PS3 - 512MB (16x 32MB)

PS4 - 8Gb (16x 0.5 Gb)

Have you also noticed that Sony's consoles have been getting progressively more expensive to manufacture? The PS1 was sold for $300 and (probably) turned a profit, the PS2 was sold for $300 and rumoured to take a $100 loss, and the PS3 was sold for $600 and rumoured to have lost up to $300 per system at launch ...

8GB of high performance DDR3 memory is selling for $200 to $300 today, and 8GB of high performance GDDR5 memory would be more expensive than that. Certainly, you can get 8GB of low perfomance DDR3 memory for very little but pairing that up with a high performance CPU and GPU would be like creating a high performance car with a 3 speed transmission.


Don't you know that the cause of the loss was the blu-ray? each drive did cost $300-$350 for sony in 2006, if the BD would cost the current $50 or less back in 2006, SOny would have launched PS3 with losses. BD is not a big deal anymore, as I said, it costs less than $50 nowadays.


It is possible that without the additional cost of the Blu-Ray player Sony could have launched the PS3 for $600 and broke even, but the system was still $300 more expensive to end users because of the escalating manufacturing cost associated with running a processing power arms race.

Sony's systems have gotten larger, ran hotter, and had higher manufacturing costs with each generation to produce the kind of processing power increase you're expecting. If they try to do it again, even without a new disc format the PS4 will be selling for $600 while taking huge losses again; after all, it would have 8GB of GDDR5 memory, a GPU from a $500 graphics card that uses 200 Watts of energy, and a gigantic custom CPU that uses 200 watts and is insanely expensive because its chip yields ar so low.

Memory is a LOT cheaper than it was when the PS3 and Xbox 360 were released ignore the prices for the very high speed memory modules on the internet they have huge profit margins targeted at the very niche enthusiast market.

There are plenty of graphic cards which go from 1GB to 2GB with only a $5 increase in price

GTX 460 2GB card $420

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130843

GTX 460 4GB card $440

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130824

With  same clock speeds and manufacture only a $20 increase

 

It is quite possible to get as much of a jump from as PS3 was above the PS2 with the PS4 above the PS3 for much, much less.

late 2006 started one of the largest jumps in CPU, GPU and memory architectures ever. So much in fact that all current top end CPU's, GPU's and memory types are mere evolutionary steps from then.  If the 360 and PS3 had been release at the end of 2007 we would not need new systems till 2017 at least.



Miguel_Zorro said:
Some additional context for everyone. The jump from one generation to the next has been quite large historically. The 8GB prediction almost seems modest when you look at the specs below.

Gen 2:
Atari 2600 - 128 bytes RAM
Intellivision - 1456 bytes

Gen 3:
NES - 2kb + 2kb.
Sega Master System - 8kb + 16kb (One could say this the first example of Mario winning for Nintendo on a console with less power)

Gen 4:
SNES - 128kb main + 64kb video
Sega Genesis - 64kb main + 64kb video

Gen 5:
Sony Playstation - 2MB + 1MB
N64 - 4MB
Sega Saturn - 1MB + 1MB + 3MB

Gen 6:
Playstation 2 - 32MB + 4MB
XBox - 64MB
GameCube - 14MB + 16MB + 3MB
Dreamcast - 16MB + 8MB

Gen 7:
Playstation 3 - 256MB + 256MB
XBox 360 - 512MB
Wii - 24MB + 64MB

Gen 8:
WiiU - 2GB

It also shows that the console with the most RAM isn't necessarily the "winner" - in fact, it usually isn't. So no need to get too worked up about it.


Soo...Gen 9 with 64GB Ram confirmed?



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KHlover said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Some additional context for everyone. The jump from one generation to the next has been quite large historically. The 8GB prediction almost seems modest when you look at the specs below.

Gen 2:
Atari 2600 - 128 bytes RAM
Intellivision - 1456 bytes

Gen 3:
NES - 2kb + 2kb.
Sega Master System - 8kb + 16kb (One could say this the first example of Mario winning for Nintendo on a console with less power)

Gen 4:
SNES - 128kb main + 64kb video
Sega Genesis - 64kb main + 64kb video

Gen 5:
Sony Playstation - 2MB + 1MB
N64 - 4MB
Sega Saturn - 1MB + 1MB + 3MB

Gen 6:
Playstation 2 - 32MB + 4MB
XBox - 64MB
GameCube - 14MB + 16MB + 3MB
Dreamcast - 16MB + 8MB

Gen 7:
Playstation 3 - 256MB + 256MB
XBox 360 - 512MB
Wii - 24MB + 64MB

Gen 8:
WiiU - 2GB

It also shows that the console with the most RAM isn't necessarily the "winner" - in fact, it usually isn't. So no need to get too worked up about it.


Soo...Gen 9 with 64GB Ram confirmed?




KHlover said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Some additional context for everyone. The jump from one generation to the next has been quite large historically. The 8GB prediction almost seems modest when you look at the specs below.

Gen 2:
Atari 2600 - 128 bytes RAM
Intellivision - 1456 bytes

Gen 3:
NES - 2kb + 2kb.
Sega Master System - 8kb + 16kb (One could say this the first example of Mario winning for Nintendo on a console with less power)

Gen 4:
SNES - 128kb main + 64kb video
Sega Genesis - 64kb main + 64kb video

Gen 5:
Sony Playstation - 2MB + 1MB
N64 - 4MB
Sega Saturn - 1MB + 1MB + 3MB

Gen 6:
Playstation 2 - 32MB + 4MB
XBox - 64MB
GameCube - 14MB + 16MB + 3MB
Dreamcast - 16MB + 8MB

Gen 7:
Playstation 3 - 256MB + 256MB
XBox 360 - 512MB
Wii - 24MB + 64MB

Gen 8:
WiiU - 2GB

It also shows that the console with the most RAM isn't necessarily the "winner" - in fact, it usually isn't. So no need to get too worked up about it.


Soo...Gen 9 with 64GB Ram confirmed?

What year do you think Gen 9 will start? I say about 2020 to 2022



Xbox One, PS4 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch will sell better than Wii U Lifetime Sales by Jan 1st 2018

the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Some additional context for everyone. The jump from one generation to the next has been quite large historically. The 8GB prediction almost seems modest when you look at the specs below.

Gen 2:
Atari 2600 - 128 bytes RAM
Intellivision - 1456 bytes

Gen 3:
NES - 2kb + 2kb.
Sega Master System - 8kb + 16kb (One could say this the first example of Mario winning for Nintendo on a console with less power)

Gen 4:
SNES - 128kb main + 64kb video
Sega Genesis - 64kb main + 64kb video

Gen 5:
Sony Playstation - 2MB + 1MB
N64 - 4MB
Sega Saturn - 1MB + 1MB + 3MB

Gen 6:
Playstation 2 - 32MB + 4MB
XBox - 64MB
GameCube - 14MB + 16MB + 3MB
Dreamcast - 16MB + 8MB

Gen 7:
Playstation 3 - 256MB + 256MB
XBox 360 - 512MB
Wii - 24MB + 64MB

Gen 8:
WiiU - 2GB

It also shows that the console with the most RAM isn't necessarily the "winner" - in fact, it usually isn't. So no need to get too worked up about it.


Soo...Gen 9 with 64GB Ram confirmed?

What year do you think Gen 9 will start? I say about 2020 to 2022

Definately not earlier, if 2/3 of the current gen are not even in the race. With a seven year circle 2020 is possible.



KHlover said:
the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Some additional context for everyone. The jump from one generation to the next has been quite large historically. The 8GB prediction almost seems modest when you look at the specs below.

Gen 2:
Atari 2600 - 128 bytes RAM
Intellivision - 1456 bytes

Gen 3:
NES - 2kb + 2kb.
Sega Master System - 8kb + 16kb (One could say this the first example of Mario winning for Nintendo on a console with less power)

Gen 4:
SNES - 128kb main + 64kb video
Sega Genesis - 64kb main + 64kb video

Gen 5:
Sony Playstation - 2MB + 1MB
N64 - 4MB
Sega Saturn - 1MB + 1MB + 3MB

Gen 6:
Playstation 2 - 32MB + 4MB
XBox - 64MB
GameCube - 14MB + 16MB + 3MB
Dreamcast - 16MB + 8MB

Gen 7:
Playstation 3 - 256MB + 256MB
XBox 360 - 512MB
Wii - 24MB + 64MB

Gen 8:
WiiU - 2GB

It also shows that the console with the most RAM isn't necessarily the "winner" - in fact, it usually isn't. So no need to get too worked up about it.


Soo...Gen 9 with 64GB Ram confirmed?

What year do you think Gen 9 will start? I say about 2020 to 2022

Definately not earlier, if 2/3 of the current gen are not even in the race. With a seven year circle 2020 is possible.

yeah i though that but i'm not even sure if we will even still have consoles by then. It could be completely cloud based by then, possibly



Xbox One, PS4 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch will sell better than Wii U Lifetime Sales by Jan 1st 2018

the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:
the2real4mafol said:
KHlover said:
Miguel_Zorro said:
Some additional context for everyone. The jump from one generation to the next has been quite large historically. The 8GB prediction almost seems modest when you look at the specs below.

Gen 2:
Atari 2600 - 128 bytes RAM
Intellivision - 1456 bytes

Gen 3:
NES - 2kb + 2kb.
Sega Master System - 8kb + 16kb (One could say this the first example of Mario winning for Nintendo on a console with less power)

Gen 4:
SNES - 128kb main + 64kb video
Sega Genesis - 64kb main + 64kb video

Gen 5:
Sony Playstation - 2MB + 1MB
N64 - 4MB
Sega Saturn - 1MB + 1MB + 3MB

Gen 6:
Playstation 2 - 32MB + 4MB
XBox - 64MB
GameCube - 14MB + 16MB + 3MB
Dreamcast - 16MB + 8MB

Gen 7:
Playstation 3 - 256MB + 256MB
XBox 360 - 512MB
Wii - 24MB + 64MB

Gen 8:
WiiU - 2GB

It also shows that the console with the most RAM isn't necessarily the "winner" - in fact, it usually isn't. So no need to get too worked up about it.


Soo...Gen 9 with 64GB Ram confirmed?

What year do you think Gen 9 will start? I say about 2020 to 2022

Definately not earlier, if 2/3 of the current gen are not even in the race. With a seven year circle 2020 is possible.

yeah i though that but i'm not even sure if we will even still have consoles by then. It could be completely cloud based by then, possibly

Not until massive steps in the spread of broadband internet are taken^^