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kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no problem with that report by Fox News and I'll tell you why. The anchor moderating doesn't make any claims. She says she watched some video about the game, didn't see anything graphic and asked general questions of the pundits about video games. The woman making all the claims isn't a Fox News employee and her views were countered by Geoff Keighley who does a very good job of setting the record straight. Then after the "experts" part of the report she talks in studio and says several times that you have to read the rating on the box. But at that point it wasn't a report. It was a discussion between parents. They agreed that there shouldn't be censorship but are concerned about what video games to give to their kids.

You have to look at this from the parents perspective. They think of video games as toys for kids. They don't want their 8 year old to play with a game with sex and violence. They understand that video games have ratings and some are for adults, but they still think of them as toys.

That Fox News report gets a lot of hate, but the truth is that Fox News didn't say anything negative about video games. Both sides were represented and the video game expert wiped the floor with the other.

I think too many people have too thin of skin when it comes to the topic of video games.


At this point in time, that point of view doesn't pass the mustard. This isn't the 80s and 90s. People thinking video games are toys is a piss poor excuse. The majority of gamers are adults. Heck the kids that were around during the big video game violence controversy of the early 90s are in their 30s.


Parents that don't play and have never played video games don't see it the way we do. They just see toys for kids and are surprised when video games are rated for mature audiences.

You may not like it, but that's the reality.

I believe an 8 year shouldn't play GTA. I don't think it will turn them into a monster, but I believe that kids should be kids and should play kid games. It's up to parents when to graduate their kids into more mature games. I'm so tired of 13 and 15 year old kids complaining that they should get to play what they want. But the truth is that they don't have full rights like adults and their parents should decide with or for them.

If a parent in this day age thinks video games are kids toys, then they aren't doing their jobs. In the 80s and 90s their ignorance, while it wasn't excusable, was certainly understandable. They knew video games as Pitfall, Pac-Man., and Mario.  Mortal Kombat is 20 years old. Doom is 19 years old. Even GTA is 15 years old at this point. We aren't talking about some new abstract concept. The "violent" video game hit the mainstream before the internet boom. Are we to excuse a parent ignorant of the concept of the internet as well?

I'm not excusing them of responsibility. I'm just asking you to put your feet in their shoes. They have kids they want to protect. They would have to take a class to understand all the subtleties of videos games. I'm just saying that you have to understand that these people are not like us. They haven't spent that last 30 years consuming all information about video games. They know as much about video games as I know about quantum mechanics and I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with Steven Hawking.

You know what, I think I probably know more about quantum mechanics then these people know about video games because the discovery channel has documentaries about science stuff all the time but they don't teach the difference between Legend of Zelda and Manhunt. To these people video games are toys and they try to do their best, but they have a hard time reconciling that the same shelf at Walmart contains both Gears of War and Once Upon a Monster.

I'm sure there is a subject that you have as little interest in as these people have in video games. I look at them as the same as people who want to ban guns. They don't know what they are talking about, but I don't blame them for it. I understand where they are coming from even though I don't agree with views.



 

Your asking me to excuse ignorance. I can't do that. I guess I was spoiled about having a mother that was REAL parent.

The only person you should be upset about is the female "expert" who says games harm children. The moderator did a fine job and said nothing inacurete. Geoff Keighley did an excellent job of setting the record straight. The other people were not there to be experts on video games. There were just guests on a show that covered many topics. It was no different than any other talk show. They gave their honest opinion on a broad topic related to video games and kids and never claimed to have done extensive research. They aren't gamers and the probably did a quick wiki search when they were asked to be on the progam in a few hours.

I really just don't see why this video is so hated. Fox News did not run it as news, they ran it as a moderated opinion debate between two "experts" followed by a roundtable opinion discussion.

BTW. My parents did a very good job of raising me and were very active in my life and learning. But that really doesn't have anything to do with this video's haters who seem to either just hate anything that Fox News does or are so sensitive about video games that if anyone suggests that GTA isn't for kids they blow a gasket.

What does the (SE)Xbox Story have to do with this. That video is 5 years old.



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Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no problem with that report by Fox News and I'll tell you why. The anchor moderating doesn't make any claims. She says she watched some video about the game, didn't see anything graphic and asked general questions of the pundits about video games. The woman making all the claims isn't a Fox News employee and her views were countered by Geoff Keighley who does a very good job of setting the record straight. Then after the "experts" part of the report she talks in studio and says several times that you have to read the rating on the box. But at that point it wasn't a report. It was a discussion between parents. They agreed that there shouldn't be censorship but are concerned about what video games to give to their kids.

You have to look at this from the parents perspective. They think of video games as toys for kids. They don't want their 8 year old to play with a game with sex and violence. They understand that video games have ratings and some are for adults, but they still think of them as toys.

That Fox News report gets a lot of hate, but the truth is that Fox News didn't say anything negative about video games. Both sides were represented and the video game expert wiped the floor with the other.

I think too many people have too thin of skin when it comes to the topic of video games.


At this point in time, that point of view doesn't pass the mustard. This isn't the 80s and 90s. People thinking video games are toys is a piss poor excuse. The majority of gamers are adults. Heck the kids that were around during the big video game violence controversy of the early 90s are in their 30s.


Parents that don't play and have never played video games don't see it the way we do. They just see toys for kids and are surprised when video games are rated for mature audiences.

You may not like it, but that's the reality.

I believe an 8 year shouldn't play GTA. I don't think it will turn them into a monster, but I believe that kids should be kids and should play kid games. It's up to parents when to graduate their kids into more mature games. I'm so tired of 13 and 15 year old kids complaining that they should get to play what they want. But the truth is that they don't have full rights like adults and their parents should decide with or for them.

If a parent in this day age thinks video games are kids toys, then they aren't doing their jobs. In the 80s and 90s their ignorance, while it wasn't excusable, was certainly understandable. They knew video games as Pitfall, Pac-Man., and Mario.  Mortal Kombat is 20 years old. Doom is 19 years old. Even GTA is 15 years old at this point. We aren't talking about some new abstract concept. The "violent" video game hit the mainstream before the internet boom. Are we to excuse a parent ignorant of the concept of the internet as well?

I'm not excusing them of responsibility. I'm just asking you to put your feet in their shoes. They have kids they want to protect. They would have to take a class to understand all the subtleties of videos games. I'm just saying that you have to understand that these people are not like us. They haven't spent that last 30 years consuming all information about video games. They know as much about video games as I know about quantum mechanics and I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with Steven Hawking.

You know what, I think I probably know more about quantum mechanics then these people know about video games because the discovery channel has documentaries about science stuff all the time but they don't teach the difference between Legend of Zelda and Manhunt. To these people video games are toys and they try to do their best, but they have a hard time reconciling that the same shelf at Walmart contains both Gears of War and Once Upon a Monster.

I'm sure there is a subject that you have as little interest in as these people have in video games. I look at them as the same as people who want to ban guns. They don't know what they are talking about, but I don't blame them for it. I understand where they are coming from even though I don't agree with views.



 

Your asking me to excuse ignorance. I can't do that. I guess I was spoiled about having a mother that was REAL parent.

The only person you should be upset about is the female "expert" who says games harm children. The moderator did a fine job and said nothing inacurete. Geoff Keighley did an excellent job of setting the record straight. The other people were not there to be experts on video games. There were just guests on a show that covered many topics. It was no different than any other talk show. They gave their honest opinion on a broad topic related to video games and kids and never claimed to have done extensive research. They aren't gamers and the probably did a quick wiki search when they were asked to be on the progam in a few hours.

I really just don't see why this video is so hated. Fox News did not run it as news, they ran it as a moderated opinion debate between two "experts" followed by a roundtable opinion discussion.

BTW. My parents did a very good job of raising me and were very active in my life and learning. But that really doesn't have anything to do with this video's haters who seem to either just hate anything that Fox News does or are so sensitive about video games that if anyone suggests that GTA isn't for kids they blow a gasket.

What does the (SE)Xbox Story have to do with this. That video is 5 years old.


The OP posted it. I don't know why. I commented on it because I've never understood why gamers almost universaly overract to it.



kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no problem with that report by Fox News and I'll tell you why. The anchor moderating doesn't make any claims. She says she watched some video about the game, didn't see anything graphic and asked general questions of the pundits about video games. The woman making all the claims isn't a Fox News employee and her views were countered by Geoff Keighley who does a very good job of setting the record straight. Then after the "experts" part of the report she talks in studio and says several times that you have to read the rating on the box. But at that point it wasn't a report. It was a discussion between parents. They agreed that there shouldn't be censorship but are concerned about what video games to give to their kids.

You have to look at this from the parents perspective. They think of video games as toys for kids. They don't want their 8 year old to play with a game with sex and violence. They understand that video games have ratings and some are for adults, but they still think of them as toys.

That Fox News report gets a lot of hate, but the truth is that Fox News didn't say anything negative about video games. Both sides were represented and the video game expert wiped the floor with the other.

I think too many people have too thin of skin when it comes to the topic of video games.


At this point in time, that point of view doesn't pass the mustard. This isn't the 80s and 90s. People thinking video games are toys is a piss poor excuse. The majority of gamers are adults. Heck the kids that were around during the big video game violence controversy of the early 90s are in their 30s.


Parents that don't play and have never played video games don't see it the way we do. They just see toys for kids and are surprised when video games are rated for mature audiences.

You may not like it, but that's the reality.

I believe an 8 year shouldn't play GTA. I don't think it will turn them into a monster, but I believe that kids should be kids and should play kid games. It's up to parents when to graduate their kids into more mature games. I'm so tired of 13 and 15 year old kids complaining that they should get to play what they want. But the truth is that they don't have full rights like adults and their parents should decide with or for them.

If a parent in this day age thinks video games are kids toys, then they aren't doing their jobs. In the 80s and 90s their ignorance, while it wasn't excusable, was certainly understandable. They knew video games as Pitfall, Pac-Man., and Mario.  Mortal Kombat is 20 years old. Doom is 19 years old. Even GTA is 15 years old at this point. We aren't talking about some new abstract concept. The "violent" video game hit the mainstream before the internet boom. Are we to excuse a parent ignorant of the concept of the internet as well?

I'm not excusing them of responsibility. I'm just asking you to put your feet in their shoes. They have kids they want to protect. They would have to take a class to understand all the subtleties of videos games. I'm just saying that you have to understand that these people are not like us. They haven't spent that last 30 years consuming all information about video games. They know as much about video games as I know about quantum mechanics and I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with Steven Hawking.

You know what, I think I probably know more about quantum mechanics then these people know about video games because the discovery channel has documentaries about science stuff all the time but they don't teach the difference between Legend of Zelda and Manhunt. To these people video games are toys and they try to do their best, but they have a hard time reconciling that the same shelf at Walmart contains both Gears of War and Once Upon a Monster.

I'm sure there is a subject that you have as little interest in as these people have in video games. I look at them as the same as people who want to ban guns. They don't know what they are talking about, but I don't blame them for it. I understand where they are coming from even though I don't agree with views.



 

Your asking me to excuse ignorance. I can't do that. I guess I was spoiled about having a mother that was REAL parent.

The only person you should be upset about is the female "expert" who says games harm children. The moderator did a fine job and said nothing inacurete. Geoff Keighley did an excellent job of setting the record straight. The other people were not there to be experts on video games. There were just guests on a show that covered many topics. It was no different than any other talk show. They gave their honest opinion on a broad topic related to video games and kids and never claimed to have done extensive research. They aren't gamers and the probably did a quick wiki search when they were asked to be on the progam in a few hours.

I really just don't see why this video is so hated. Fox News did not run it as news, they ran it as a moderated opinion debate between two "experts" followed by a roundtable opinion discussion.

BTW. My parents did a very good job of raising me and were very active in my life and learning. But that really doesn't have anything to do with this video's haters who seem to either just hate anything that Fox News does or are so sensitive about video games that if anyone suggests that GTA isn't for kids they blow a gasket.

What does the (SE)Xbox Story have to do with this. That video is 5 years old.


The OP posted it. I don't know why. I commented on it because I've never understood why gamers almost universaly overract to it.


I thought the video related to my overall point that people blame video games for being a bad influence.



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Me vs Mom... I thought it was a thread about "The Binding of Isaac".
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maybe we should stop ignoring "psychology" oh wait tom cruise is watching me....



 

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why is it so fucking hard to ban guns?




kain_kusanagi said:

I'm not excusing them of responsibility. I'm just asking you to put your feet in their shoes. They have kids they want to protect. They would have to take a class to understand all the subtleties of videos games. I'm just saying that you have to understand that these people are not like us. They haven't spent that last 30 years consuming all information about video games. They know as much about video games as I know about quantum mechanics and I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with Steven Hawking.

You know what, I think I probably know more about quantum mechanics then these people know about video games because the discovery channel has documentaries about science stuff all the time but they don't teach the difference between Legend of Zelda and Manhunt. To these people video games are toys and they try to do their best, but they have a hard time reconciling that the same shelf at Walmart contains both Gears of War and Once Upon a Monster.

I'm sure there is a subject that you have as little interest in as these people have in video games. I look at them as the same as people who want to ban guns. They don't know what they are talking about, but I don't blame them for it. I understand where they are coming from even though I don't agree with views.



 

Really? I mean parents nowdays, especially those who have younger kids, probably have a good idea about video games. I mean, my sister has three kids, age 7-10, and my sister and I grew up playing games together. Granted, not all parents are that young, but I think you have to factor in that most parents with younger kids did not grow up in the 1950s.....and games have become progressively popular ever since the 1980s.

Furthermore, its not really that difficult to know what your kids are playing. I don't know how strict stores are about enforcing the policy, but I know my parents always knew if I played a violent games.....because they had to tell the sales clerk I could buy it.

Also, its not like parents have to be experts on video games to understand all the subleties (how complicated is it really?)....the same way you aren't going to completely understand quantum mechanics by watching a documentary, which, lets be honest here, is way more complicated than anything a video game can throw at you...I know I never took classes on video games, and I sure know my nieces and nephew never did, and they seem to understand video games just fine.

I don't think my mom ever played games seriously....she played Space Invaders and Castlevania...that's about it, but she took the time to actually see what I was playing. Its not really asking that much of a parent, especially if they're truly concerned about what they're children are playing.



Siko1989 said:

why is it so fucking hard to ban guns?

2nd amendment?



Siko1989 said:

why is it so fucking hard to ban guns?


The second amendment as Game Over 22 stated. Even if there wasn't the case, it would not solve the problem. It would only exacerbate things. Look up what prohibition did with alcohol. The cat is out of the bag, there are far too many guns in circulation for a ban on them to have any real effect.



Darc Requiem said:
Siko1989 said:

why is it so fucking hard to ban guns?


The second amendment as Game Over 22 stated. Even if there wasn't the case, it would not solve the problem. It would only exacerbate things. Look up what prohibition did with alcohol. The cat is out of the bag, there are far too many guns in circulation for a ban on them to have any real effect.


"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."

If you can't hide a gun from your mentally disabled child then you are a bad parent.



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