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Conegamer on 18 December 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
Conegamer said:
What an awful video. It's why I enjoy living in the UK with the BBC, and other sources of news like The Mirror and The i. Very little bias from the modern press, only really papers like The Sun or The Daily Star which are like that...

...but enough of that. Your point is correct. The only reason there would be any sort of shooting is if the person initially was messed up. Videogames have nothing to do with it; people just wish to find a scapegoat. TV shows are far more graphic, infact, but since you aren't actively DOING these things then it's OK? Did these crimes only occur 10 years ago, and beforehand there was no crime? Because if so, then fair play, there's a correlation. But that means nothing, in this case because it's not true. Videogames are not responsible for this crime, if any.


What exactly do you have against the video? The anchor moderating doesn't make any claims. She says she watched some video of the game, didn't see anything graphic and asked general questions of the pundits about video games. The woman making all the claims isn't a Fox News employee and her views were countered by Geoff Keighley who does a very good job of setting the record straight. Then after the "experts" part of the report she talks casualy in studio and says several times that you have to read the rating on the box. But at that point it wasn't a report. It was a discussion between parents. They agreed that there shouldn't be censorship but are concerned about what video games they should give to their kids.

That Fox News report gets a lot of hate, but the truth is that Fox News didn't say anything negative about video games. Both sides were represented and the video game expert wiped the floor with the other.

I think too many people have too thin of skin when it comes to the topic of video games.

The thing which frustrates me is that no-one on the panel have neither played the game nor have any interest in gaming, they're providing false information as 'real' news and completely ignore what the actual guy who was talking sense was saying. 



 

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MARCUSDJACKSON on 18 December 2012

remind her that, James Holmes didn't go into the movie theater because he played the batman game.

tell her that, by her logic, watching movies should warrant those same actions.



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Jaywood2010 on 18 December 2012

Hilarious, people blamed Mass Effect ( A game) on the Elementary shooting because the muderer liked Mass Effect on Facebook.

The murderer drank water; Water must be prohibeted
He ate food; I guess that should be prohibited too

In fact he probably did things like watch TV, walk around, maybe even listened to music time from time. Must've explained why 1 person out of the 3+ million people who owns the game killed innocent people. In fact I guess we should prepare for the other 3+ million people.

Before people blame the industry, electronics, or anything else, maybe you should just realize that their is sick twisted people in this world. Take Hitler for example. Did some kind of game, music, or movie sway him into killing so many people? Oh wait....




       

kain_kusanagi on 18 December 2012
Conegamer said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Conegamer said:
What an awful video. It's why I enjoy living in the UK with the BBC, and other sources of news like The Mirror and The i. Very little bias from the modern press, only really papers like The Sun or The Daily Star which are like that...

...but enough of that. Your point is correct. The only reason there would be any sort of shooting is if the person initially was messed up. Videogames have nothing to do with it; people just wish to find a scapegoat. TV shows are far more graphic, infact, but since you aren't actively DOING these things then it's OK? Did these crimes only occur 10 years ago, and beforehand there was no crime? Because if so, then fair play, there's a correlation. But that means nothing, in this case because it's not true. Videogames are not responsible for this crime, if any.


What exactly do you have against the video? The anchor moderating doesn't make any claims. She says she watched some video of the game, didn't see anything graphic and asked general questions of the pundits about video games. The woman making all the claims isn't a Fox News employee and her views were countered by Geoff Keighley who does a very good job of setting the record straight. Then after the "experts" part of the report she talks casualy in studio and says several times that you have to read the rating on the box. But at that point it wasn't a report. It was a discussion between parents. They agreed that there shouldn't be censorship but are concerned about what video games they should give to their kids.

That Fox News report gets a lot of hate, but the truth is that Fox News didn't say anything negative about video games. Both sides were represented and the video game expert wiped the floor with the other.

I think too many people have too thin of skin when it comes to the topic of video games.

The thing which frustrates me is that no-one on the panel have neither played the game nor have any interest in gaming, they're providing false information as 'real' news and completely ignore what the actual guy who was talking sense was saying. 

They weren't providing false information and they weren't conveying the news. The moderator showed a video discussion between "experts". After that they entered into an opinion roundtable. During that roundtable the moderator said that parents need to read the rating on the box.

Your right that nobody on the panel had played the game, but they also never said that they had. They were all talking about the inclusion of sex and violence in games in general. They are of the opinion that kids shouldn't play games with sex and violence. They are concerned that video games are marketed toward children and they are appauled that those games would incluse adult themes.

I honestly don't understand why you or others are so offended by this. I understand not liking the lady "expert" who says Mass Effect is porn, she did make false statements. But the moderator said she saw nothing graphic and Geoff Keighley exposed her for not playing the game and corrected all of her false statements.



WiiBox3 on 18 December 2012
superchunk said:

Had the same discussion with the wife yesterday. She's adamant that shooter games are horrible and partly responsible for these murders.

My points... well they are rated for adults. Additionally, they are no different than the many movies, tv shows, books, and theatrical plays have done for generations or centuries before. Point is, it takes parents to know what is and is not appropriate for their kids and even then to ensure that they are still taught the value of life and to have empathy for their fellow man. But blaming massacres and murders on something seen in any form of media is simply naive and a scapegoat for the real world problems we have as a society.

I almost beat her that day. After all, that's what I learned from Godfather.


Agreed. Parents should be apart of their children's lives. Be there to explain reality from fiction. Why it's ok for a character in a movie/game/show/book to be violent and why it is not for people in real life. This is how my parent's raised me. THey didn't want me to watch violent movies without them when I was very young, but they would let me watch it with them. They made sure to include a lot of context.



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kitler53 on 18 December 2012

my mother beat me as a kid and my mother never played a video game until wii sports years later.



deskpro2k3 on 18 December 2012

Hey OP. Tell your mom this.

Adolf Hitler. He killed millions of people. For political power and supremacy. Did he play video games too?



No. It is how kids are raised, and trained from their parents, and teachers.

The Magnavox Odyssey was the first video game console, released in 1972. btw

Fox News been doing this crap for years now. Its really is a political news channel for brainwashing people. lol



zuvuyeay on 18 December 2012

some parents just don't get it so many times i'm in the shops and recently the young kid like 9 points ot GTAV and says i really want that,and the parents say sure thing,it;s like WTF

i remember seeing this programme where this young mum who worked hard and wasn't always there wanted to buy her boys what they want,they were like 8-11 and they had Kane & Lynch 2 Dog Days in their hand,wtf i was disturbed playing that game,i just don't get what parents are thinking about



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Darc Requiem on 18 December 2012
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no problem with that report by Fox News and I'll tell you why. The anchor moderating doesn't make any claims. She says she watched some video about the game, didn't see anything graphic and asked general questions of the pundits about video games. The woman making all the claims isn't a Fox News employee and her views were countered by Geoff Keighley who does a very good job of setting the record straight. Then after the "experts" part of the report she talks in studio and says several times that you have to read the rating on the box. But at that point it wasn't a report. It was a discussion between parents. They agreed that there shouldn't be censorship but are concerned about what video games to give to their kids.

You have to look at this from the parents perspective. They think of video games as toys for kids. They don't want their 8 year old to play with a game with sex and violence. They understand that video games have ratings and some are for adults, but they still think of them as toys.

That Fox News report gets a lot of hate, but the truth is that Fox News didn't say anything negative about video games. Both sides were represented and the video game expert wiped the floor with the other.

I think too many people have too thin of skin when it comes to the topic of video games.


At this point in time, that point of view doesn't pass the mustard. This isn't the 80s and 90s. People thinking video games are toys is a piss poor excuse. The majority of gamers are adults. Heck the kids that were around during the big video game violence controversy of the early 90s are in their 30s.


Parents that don't play and have never played video games don't see it the way we do. They just see toys for kids and are surprised when video games are rated for mature audiences.

You may not like it, but that's the reality.

I believe an 8 year shouldn't play GTA. I don't think it will turn them into a monster, but I believe that kids should be kids and should play kid games. It's up to parents when to graduate their kids into more mature games. I'm so tired of 13 and 15 year old kids complaining that they should get to play what they want. But the truth is that they don't have full rights like adults and their parents should decide with or for them.

If a parent in this day age thinks video games are kids toys, then they aren't doing their jobs. In the 80s and 90s their ignorance, while it wasn't excusable, was certainly understandable. They knew video games as Pitfall, Pac-Man., and Mario.  Mortal Kombat is 20 years old. Doom is 19 years old. Even GTA is 15 years old at this point. We aren't talking about some new abstract concept. The "violent" video game hit the mainstream before the internet boom. Are we to excuse a parent ignorant of the concept of the internet as well?

I'm not excusing them of responsibility. I'm just asking you to put your feet in their shoes. They have kids they want to protect. They would have to take a class to understand all the subtleties of videos games. I'm just saying that you have to understand that these people are not like us. They haven't spent that last 30 years consuming all information about video games. They know as much about video games as I know about quantum mechanics and I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with Steven Hawking.

You know what, I think I probably know more about quantum mechanics then these people know about video games because the discovery channel has documentaries about science stuff all the time but they don't teach the difference between Legend of Zelda and Manhunt. To these people video games are toys and they try to do their best, but they have a hard time reconciling that the same shelf at Walmart contains both Gears of War and Once Upon a Monster.

I'm sure there is a subject that you have as little interest in as these people have in video games. I look at them as the same as people who want to ban guns. They don't know what they are talking about, but I don't blame them for it. I understand where they are coming from even though I don't agree with views.



 

Your asking me to excuse ignorance. I can't do that. I guess I was spoiled about having a mother that was REAL parent.



kain_kusanagi on 18 December 2012
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
Darc Requiem said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I have no problem with that report by Fox News and I'll tell you why. The anchor moderating doesn't make any claims. She says she watched some video about the game, didn't see anything graphic and asked general questions of the pundits about video games. The woman making all the claims isn't a Fox News employee and her views were countered by Geoff Keighley who does a very good job of setting the record straight. Then after the "experts" part of the report she talks in studio and says several times that you have to read the rating on the box. But at that point it wasn't a report. It was a discussion between parents. They agreed that there shouldn't be censorship but are concerned about what video games to give to their kids.

You have to look at this from the parents perspective. They think of video games as toys for kids. They don't want their 8 year old to play with a game with sex and violence. They understand that video games have ratings and some are for adults, but they still think of them as toys.

That Fox News report gets a lot of hate, but the truth is that Fox News didn't say anything negative about video games. Both sides were represented and the video game expert wiped the floor with the other.

I think too many people have too thin of skin when it comes to the topic of video games.


At this point in time, that point of view doesn't pass the mustard. This isn't the 80s and 90s. People thinking video games are toys is a piss poor excuse. The majority of gamers are adults. Heck the kids that were around during the big video game violence controversy of the early 90s are in their 30s.


Parents that don't play and have never played video games don't see it the way we do. They just see toys for kids and are surprised when video games are rated for mature audiences.

You may not like it, but that's the reality.

I believe an 8 year shouldn't play GTA. I don't think it will turn them into a monster, but I believe that kids should be kids and should play kid games. It's up to parents when to graduate their kids into more mature games. I'm so tired of 13 and 15 year old kids complaining that they should get to play what they want. But the truth is that they don't have full rights like adults and their parents should decide with or for them.

If a parent in this day age thinks video games are kids toys, then they aren't doing their jobs. In the 80s and 90s their ignorance, while it wasn't excusable, was certainly understandable. They knew video games as Pitfall, Pac-Man., and Mario.  Mortal Kombat is 20 years old. Doom is 19 years old. Even GTA is 15 years old at this point. We aren't talking about some new abstract concept. The "violent" video game hit the mainstream before the internet boom. Are we to excuse a parent ignorant of the concept of the internet as well?

I'm not excusing them of responsibility. I'm just asking you to put your feet in their shoes. They have kids they want to protect. They would have to take a class to understand all the subtleties of videos games. I'm just saying that you have to understand that these people are not like us. They haven't spent that last 30 years consuming all information about video games. They know as much about video games as I know about quantum mechanics and I can tell you right now that I wouldn't be able to hold a conversation with Steven Hawking.

You know what, I think I probably know more about quantum mechanics then these people know about video games because the discovery channel has documentaries about science stuff all the time but they don't teach the difference between Legend of Zelda and Manhunt. To these people video games are toys and they try to do their best, but they have a hard time reconciling that the same shelf at Walmart contains both Gears of War and Once Upon a Monster.

I'm sure there is a subject that you have as little interest in as these people have in video games. I look at them as the same as people who want to ban guns. They don't know what they are talking about, but I don't blame them for it. I understand where they are coming from even though I don't agree with views.



 

Your asking me to excuse ignorance. I can't do that. I guess I was spoiled about having a mother that was REAL parent.

The only person you should be upset about is the female "expert" who says games harm children. The moderator did a fine job and said nothing inacurete. Geoff Keighley did an excellent job of setting the record straight. The other people were not there to be experts on video games. There were just guests on a show that covered many topics. It was no different than any other talk show. They gave their honest opinion on a broad topic related to video games and kids and never claimed to have done extensive research. They aren't gamers and the probably did a quick wiki search when they were asked to be on the progam in a few hours.

I really just don't see why this video is so hated. Fox News did not run it as news, they ran it as a moderated opinion debate between two "experts" followed by a roundtable opinion discussion.

BTW. My parents did a very good job of raising me and were very active in my life and learning. But that really doesn't have anything to do with this video's haters who seem to either just hate anything that Fox News does or are so sensitive about video games that if anyone suggests that GTA isn't for kids they blow a gasket.