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Hopefully they can work out the component quality soon... And that Microsoft is making sure that they tested rigorously, to avoid huge issues like they did with the billion-dollar RROD fiasco.



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kain_kusanagi said:
sethnintendo said:
platformmaster918 said:
sethnintendo said:

So the Microsoft chip that is having production problems might affect the chips that Sony will use to be delayed. It sounds like both lose.


but Sony will still be behind.  Look I have no idea how these things work I'm not a business expert.  It's just something I thought of as I read the article that Microsoft would do to get another jump because the fact that they're still tied even though Sony launched at %50 more, a year later, with no big exclusives, and with a bitch to program for system may worry them.

Oops my post was a little off and I will correct it now.  I meant to say that the chips Microsoft is trying to get in production will delay Sony chips (not that they are using the same chips).  Anyways, this seems to be a problem because you usually don't hear of production problems too often (ones that delay things due to reliability).  Microsoft needs to delay it till they get decent components because they can't afford another mishap in reliability issues.  It sounds to me that both are going to be pushed back a little further than originally planned.


From what I read, it didn't would like MS's chips have reliability issues. The problem is that the production yield on usable chips is low. In chip manufacturing a batch of chips comes on a waffer board. On the board are good chips and bad chips. The problem is that the process is yielding a low number of good usable chips.

While this can delay manufacturing some, it can be delt with in a number of ways. However, it has nothing to do with the reliability of the final product.

Ah I mainly have dealt with OEM manufacturing where the parts are available and then testing to make sure it works (Cisco server boards, etc).  I have been an ICT tester which I have seen a decent amount of components fail while testing.  Most boards pass but then you have boards that get a shitty component which leads to sometimes an explosion (of the bad capacitor).  Most chips passed ICT testing however sometimes the wrong chip was installed which lead to the board failing ICT.  Anyways, I have pretty limited knowledge on the entire chip manufacturing process (considering I've only held ICT, BGA, ECN operator jobs).  I have upgraded and dealt with older chips but new chips I have no clue about.



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lol no.

The chip manufacturing would be separate from each other and MSs issues would be unrelated to anything AMD and Sony have going. MS might have a newer chip base it wanted while Sony is using an older design. If that rumor was even right, all it means is that production of Sony's APU is to be started later than MSs (which was supposed to be already underway). I think their own (the site reporting the rumor) speculation that it means Sony won't come out until 2014 is stupid.

It doesn't matter. In the few months we'll know for sure. I have zero doubts well before E3 both companies will have some sort of an outing of their next-gen consoles.



superchunk said:
lol no.

The chip manufacturing would be separate from each other and MSs issues would be unrelated to anything AMD and Sony have going. MS might have a newer chip base it wanted while Sony is using an older design. If that rumor was even right, all it means is that production of Sony's APU is to be started later than MSs (which was supposed to be already underway). I think their own (the site reporting the rumor) speculation that it means Sony won't come out until 2014 is stupid.

It doesn't matter. In the few months we'll know for sure. I have zero doubts well before E3 both companies will have some sort of an outing of their next-gen consoles.

So why wouldn't they start producing the Sony chips if the Microsoft ones were having to be delayed.  They could have someone work on those issues and build the Sony ones in the meantime.




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platformmaster918 said:

http://www.vg247.com/2012/12/11/xbox-720-ps4-codenames-revealed-microsofts-oban-chip-detailed-rumour/#

We all know Sony's financial woes and Microsoft's lack thereof.  According to this they are having trouble manufacturing chips for their new console, but the PS4 chips are being delayed because of the 720's errors.  Obviously it would be huge for Microsoft to gain a holiday on Sony again and get a couple million lead, especially in America.  So is Microsoft merely ensuring they get to market first by having their chips made by the same place and ahead of PS4's?  Or is this rumor just not making any sense?

why cant Sony manufacture their chips at another factory? not possible?



no. that would be anti-competition and illegal and obviously not something microsoft would do.

maybe MSs issues impact sony but MS certainly didn't pay for that to happen.



platformmaster918 said:
superchunk said:
lol no.

The chip manufacturing would be separate from each other and MSs issues would be unrelated to anything AMD and Sony have going. MS might have a newer chip base it wanted while Sony is using an older design. If that rumor was even right, all it means is that production of Sony's APU is to be started later than MSs (which was supposed to be already underway). I think their own (the site reporting the rumor) speculation that it means Sony won't come out until 2014 is stupid.

It doesn't matter. In the few months we'll know for sure. I have zero doubts well before E3 both companies will have some sort of an outing of their next-gen consoles.

So why wouldn't they start producing the Sony chips if the Microsoft ones were having to be delayed.  They could have someone work on those issues and build the Sony ones in the meantime.

Why does it have to be related? Why can't it just be part of the overall manufacturing plan Sony has had planned already?



Stupid conspiracy theory is stupid.



No. I just don't think it works like that....