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Final Smash: Should somone one do this at the start of every gen?

yes 65 75.58%
 
no 3 3.49%
 
show me the money! 7 8.14%
 
Total:75
Gamerace said:
With Nintendo not having an E3 press conference - which would be great mass media exposure for WiiU - I can only assume they feel they don't have anything to present that will attract attention away from Sony/MS's announcements (and both of them will have already announced their new console's pre-E3 so that'll put a damper on their own E3 presentations).

I don't understand what Nintendo is doing here at all: They have to show off MARIO KART, SMASH, 3D MARIO, BAYONETTA 2, RETRO'S GAME

And they don't WANT to go head to head with Microsoft and Sony after, as you pointed out, all they have left to show is software since they've already shown hardware/will already have shown the hardware?

I mean I don't get it, we're talking a sequel to a 20 - 30 million unit seller and two 10 million sellers in the form of Mario Kart and Smash/3D Mario respectively while the other two conferences would be lucky to show off a single 10 million seller. That doesn't even begin to factor in the immense positive hardcore hype Bayonetta 2 and Retro's game will undoubtedly generate.

I don't know, something doesn't seem right about all this...  I'm starting to think Nintendo maybe didn't do as good of a job on these games as we're expecting them to.



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DietSoap said:
Gamerace said:
With Nintendo not having an E3 press conference - which would be great mass media exposure for WiiU - I can only assume they feel they don't have anything to present that will attract attention away from Sony/MS's announcements (and both of them will have already announced their new console's pre-E3 so that'll put a damper on their own E3 presentations).

I don't understand what Nintendo is doing here at all: They have to show off MARIO KART, SMASH, 3D MARIO, BAYONETTA 2, RETRO'S GAME

And they don't WANT to go head to head with Microsoft and Sony after, as you pointed out, all they have left to show is software since they've already shown hardware/will already have shown the hardware?

I mean I don't get it, we're talking a sequel to a 20 - 30 million unit seller and two 10 million sellers in the form of Mario Kart and Smash/3D Mario respectively while the other two conferences would be lucky to show off a single 10 million seller. That doesn't even begin to factor in the immense positive hardcore hype Bayonetta 2 and Retro's game will undoubtedly generate.

I don't know, something doesn't seem right about all this...  I'm starting to think Nintendo maybe didn't do as good of a job on these games as we're expecting them to.

Why do people keep struggling with Nintendo's decision?

Old Approach:

1hr Mega show to have some marketing PR, new services, less than 5 deep demos of games, and a generic reel of other games or very short individual teasers.
Risk of focusing on games mass consumer/gamer doesn't even care about (wii music) and gain more negative attention than positive.
Risk of live demo failing with tech issues or other. Happens all the time.
Never have enough time to show off all of your games. How many times have we learned about bigger games or details from other random media stuff on E3 floor? every. single. year.
All this with a massive upfront cost to rent facility, hire actors, etc...
Big presence on E3 floor with all game demos and where most of the positive info/buzz comes from.

New Approach:

Multiple Nintendo Directs that span multiple hours covering far more games in deep demos, new services, far better presentations for 3rd party games.
Show an unpopular game? you have many more NDs to make up for it.
Not live. no possibility of failure.
Have as much time as you could possibly take to show off anything you want. No more need to hide one over another. Floor will only enhance NDs, not overshadow.
Far lower costs in every way.
Big presence on E3 floor with all game demos and being able to focus on additional private convos with retailers and 3rd parties due to content already being fully out in media's hands and web.

 

I think this is a very smart risk to take. I can't wait for the NDs to start well before E3, while the rest of you have to wait for your 1hr presentation in June.



superchunk said:
Why do people keep struggling with Nintendo's decision?

Old Approach:

1hr Mega show to have some marketing PR, new services, less than 5 deep demos of games, and a generic reel of other games or very short individual teasers.
Risk of focusing on games mass consumer/gamer doesn't even care about (wii music) and gain more negative attention than positive.
Risk of live demo failing with tech issues or other. Happens all the time.
Never have enough time to show off all of your games. How many times have we learned about bigger games or details from other random media stuff on E3 floor? every. single. year.
All this with a massive upfront cost to rent facility, hire actors, etc...
Big presence on E3 floor with all game demos and where most of the positive info/buzz comes from.

New Approach:

Multiple Nintendo Directs that span multiple hours covering far more games in deep demos, new services, far better presentations for 3rd party games.
Show an unpopular game? you have many more NDs to make up for it.
Not live. no possibility of failure.
Have as much time as you could possibly take to show off anything you want. No more need to hide one over another. Floor will only enhance NDs, not overshadow.
Far lower costs in every way.
Big presence on E3 floor with all game demos and being able to focus on additional private convos with retailers and 3rd parties due to content already being fully out in media's hands and web.

 

I think this is a very smart risk to take. I can't wait for the NDs to start well before E3, while the rest of you have to wait for your 1hr presentation in June.

Wouldn't they get all the advantages just by having the NDs on top of the usual presentation? Yeah it would cost a bit more, but you wouldn't get a string of negative articles when you Google "Nintendo E3". Surely good press is very important to them right now, what with the Wii U needing to prove itself, and definitely more important than the E3 cost which they pay and prepare for every year.

I'm personally going to take the E3 news as an indication to lower my expectations for what Nintendo are bringing this year. It basically feels like they are saying "yes, we are behind on development, and no, what we have can't realistically compete with 2 new consoles, so we are backing off a bit this year to regroup". I'd love what you are saying to be true, and I'll hope that it is, but they wouldn't generate this negative buzz unless they were trying to avoid bigger negative buzz later.



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Osc89 said:
superchunk said:
Why do people keep struggling with Nintendo's decision?

Old Approach:

1hr Mega show to have some marketing PR, new services, less than 5 deep demos of games, and a generic reel of other games or very short individual teasers.
Risk of focusing on games mass consumer/gamer doesn't even care about (wii music) and gain more negative attention than positive.
Risk of live demo failing with tech issues or other. Happens all the time.
Never have enough time to show off all of your games. How many times have we learned about bigger games or details from other random media stuff on E3 floor? every. single. year.
All this with a massive upfront cost to rent facility, hire actors, etc...
Big presence on E3 floor with all game demos and where most of the positive info/buzz comes from.

New Approach:

Multiple Nintendo Directs that span multiple hours covering far more games in deep demos, new services, far better presentations for 3rd party games.
Show an unpopular game? you have many more NDs to make up for it.
Not live. no possibility of failure.
Have as much time as you could possibly take to show off anything you want. No more need to hide one over another. Floor will only enhance NDs, not overshadow.
Far lower costs in every way.
Big presence on E3 floor with all game demos and being able to focus on additional private convos with retailers and 3rd parties due to content already being fully out in media's hands and web.

 

I think this is a very smart risk to take. I can't wait for the NDs to start well before E3, while the rest of you have to wait for your 1hr presentation in June.

Wouldn't they get all the advantages just by having the NDs on top of the usual presentation? Yeah it would cost a bit more, but you wouldn't get a string of negative articles when you Google "Nintendo E3". Surely good press is very important to them right now, what with the Wii U needing to prove itself, and definitely more important than the E3 cost which they pay and prepare for every year.

I'm personally going to take the E3 news as an indication to lower my expectations for what Nintendo are bringing this year. It basically feels like they are saying "yes, we are behind on development, and no, what we have can't realistically compete with 2 new consoles, so we are backing off a bit this year to regroup". I'd love what you are saying to be true, and I'll hope that it is, but they wouldn't generate this negative buzz unless they were trying to avoid bigger negative buzz later.

Pretty much my take. Yeah, I get in theory there's a possible downside to being the "loser" of the big 3 conferences and all (much less than the upside of a big hype conference competing directly with the other two covered heavily by all the gaming media outlets imo, but that's just me), but the fact they're lacking this much confidence when they're going to have all the megahit exclusive software while the others next to none...

... I don't know, it just doesn't seem right.



Updated with April 27th info.

At least May has some games for Wii U finally launching. Let's see if it can do greater than 200k for the month.



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With these games coming in May, will it have a significant impact on Wii U sales? I know i'm buying probably 3 of those games (not all in May).

 

Game
Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut
Resident Evil Revelations
Lego Batman 2: DC
Fast and Furious Showdown
Sniper Elite. V2


superchunk said:

With these games coming in May, will it have a significant impact on Wii U sales? I know i'm buying probably 3 of those games (not all in May).

 

Game
Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut
Resident Evil Revelations
Lego Batman 2: DC
Fast and Furious Showdown
Sniper Elite. V2

I don't think there will be relevant boosts for Wii U. Maybe they will get 40k more sales per week once or twice.



Gugerface said:
superchunk said:

With these games coming in May, will it have a significant impact on Wii U sales? I know i'm buying probably 3 of those games (not all in May).

 

Game
Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut
Resident Evil Revelations
Lego Batman 2: DC
Fast and Furious Showdown
Sniper Elite. V2

I don't think there will be relevant boosts for Wii U. Maybe they will get 40k more sales per week once or twice.

I agree... if the biggest 3rd party games cant move the system during the tail end of a holiday season and if savior games such as Lego City, Monster Hunter and Need for Speed cant move the system, I dont know how you can expect these 2nd rate games to achieve that.



superchunk said:

With these games coming in May, will it have a significant impact on Wii U sales? I know i'm buying probably 3 of those games (not all in May).

 

Game
Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut
Resident Evil Revelations
Lego Batman 2: DC
Fast and Furious Showdown
Sniper Elite. V2

That's it?  Not one of those will boost WiiU sales   (RE:R could have if it wasn't on all other systems.)



 

Train wreck said:

I agree... if the biggest 3rd party games cant move the system during the tail end of a holiday season and if savior games such as Lego City, Monster Hunter and Need for Speed cant move the system, I dont know how you can expect these 2nd rate games to achieve that.

Well, to play devil's advocate here... LEGO City and MH did provide a good bump in sales for a couple weeks and that was only two games.