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mesoteto said:
@Dno--alright every time i think i am out you pull me back in ......heres some info for you just b/c a munfacturing cost is one price does not mean its all the money the company is spending on that product you have to figure in advertising as well as overhead... so sure parts and labor (product cost) for that item might be just 400 but then you have its overhead/marketing/etc (period cost) to figure in as well so as far as you know they could still be bleeding a load for each one they sell

so your link does not "proove" it just kinda supports

also some (not everyone like you seem to think) people dont want the playstation, they want the blu-ray from it keep that in mind

"evryone wants blu-ray and thats why the price dropped because it was failing" --i think you are trying to say everyone wants blu-ray over HD DVD (but i can prove thats false b/c i am going to wait till i can pay 3 dollars and download the movie in HD)

so i have to ask if they lowered the price b/c everyone wanted it rather then the other why is the wii's price still the same?

and very few of my points did you answer, insted you do what many governments do which is called scarecrowing (puting up dummie points to try and take away from the main point) that is why tk1989 had trouble folowing your argument

now please dont way anything silly again there are other threads i would like to post in

you have no common sense you really dont.

i dont think i need to explain myself because what you stated just proves what i stated "it does not prove it it supports it" LMAO

nuff said



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@Dno

" i am trying to make is the the customer is looking for value. not always the cheapest price. and ps2 with online, DVD and ps3 with blu-ray and online and etc. is vaule."

i cant pass this up..in other words the Ps3 does not have value for the price they charged from the launch and if they are thinking of another price cut to boost sles then the majority of consumers still feel it is "extras" and not worth the investment

also you have yet to address my point as to why the wii did not set the bar for price point in this gen



 

Dno said:
mesoteto said:
@Dno--alright every time i think i am out you pull me back in ......heres some info for you just b/c a munfacturing cost is one price does not mean its all the money the company is spending on that product you have to figure in advertising as well as overhead... so sure parts and labor (product cost) for that item might be just 400 but then you have its overhead/marketing/etc (period cost) to figure in as well so as far as you know they could still be bleeding a load for each one they sell

so your link does not "proove" it just kinda supports

also some (not everyone like you seem to think) people dont want the playstation, they want the blu-ray from it keep that in mind

"evryone wants blu-ray and thats why the price dropped because it was failing" --i think you are trying to say everyone wants blu-ray over HD DVD (but i can prove thats false b/c i am going to wait till i can pay 3 dollars and download the movie in HD)

so i have to ask if they lowered the price b/c everyone wanted it rather then the other why is the wii's price still the same?

and very few of my points did you answer, insted you do what many governments do which is called scarecrowing (puting up dummie points to try and take away from the main point) that is why tk1989 had trouble folowing your argument

now please dont way anything silly again there are other threads i would like to post in

you have no common sense you really dont.

i dont think i need to explain myself because what you stated just proves what i stated "it does not prove it it supports it" LMAO

nuff said

Meh? U still make little sense to me. u noted one part of his argument, and totally ignored the rest because it went against all your views. You seem to be unwilling to accept anyones views but your own..,.

 



tk1989 said:
Dno said:
tk1989 said:

Jumped in for nothing? I just dont like how everything you say is somehow stated as "fact"? all your "facts" have basically been opinionated. Saying that you believe that everyone will be willing to spend extra for all the features on the PS3 is an opinion, not fact; i for one would not be willing to do that, and i bet many people here would take the same stance.
This is a forum, there are meant to be debates. I didnt jump into this debate for no reason, i entered it to give my views and opinions, as you did. But you stated that you were saying facts, when most of you "facts" were in fact opinions. I entered the agument to dispute some of your points, as you are meant to do on forums.

 

Also, about the HD DVD, i did not say it was the sole reason... What i did say can be seen as a reason however; maybe not a significant one in terms of the PS3-hd dvd ratio, but i clearly stated in my post that it was a bad example, but an example neverthless.

well since ps3 is selling at a fast paste (what console do u no that started at 600 and did not die?) i think some people are willing to pay more u might not be one of them but i was.I gave you a link to prove my point where is yours? i still am watitng to see how a price drop on console will hurt them in the long run case i just dont see it. yes this is a forum but you bashed me not the other dude so ima do the same.

and your right HD-dvd was a bad example so why did you use it?

Because, it was an example :P lol. The use of HD DVD was to help prove a point i was trying to make. yes, many people believed Bluray was the superior format etc and bought it solely for that reason, but are you honestly telling me that you would not be put off by constant price cuts on a product? If you were wanting a certain game, and the price of it was cut multiple times in a short period of time would you not be concerned that said game was in fact rubbish? not worth your hard earned cash? that you should maybe spend your money on a safer buy? Why spend £20 on lair when you can spend £30 on Resistance? Are you honestly telling me that you would not be swayed? that you would be willing to fling cash around like there is no tomorrow? well, most consumers (the "average joe") does not have this luxury, and when doubt is in their mind they generally become cautious about their purchase, especially if its gonna set them back a couple hundred dollars...

Yes,some people are willing to pay extra for certain features, but i would say that the majority of people arent (to a certain degree). Ive explained this before. Some people want the extra features, some dont, and some dont give a shit about it.

Also, what do you want me to link?

And, the Ps2 cost 300 quid in the uk, which translates into around $600 (using current exchange rates). the PS3 also has the massive brand name behind it.  

 


no i dont buy stuff because it wack. in fact if lair came out  at 20 bucks i bet you it would of sold a lot more. in fact i work at gamestop and i often buy 10-20 games even tho they werent that great. that is a highly sold section in the gamestop company.

these are all games that sell and have LOTS of price drops. i used to change the price on games all day long. so i can honeslty say NO if i wanted something and the price dropped i would LOVE to ge it for a lower price so im sorry i do not agree.

i do see what you are saying but if i wasnt interested in something it would not matter how many times it dropped i would not get it. but people are interested in the ps3 thats a fact and more price dropps in this case are welcome.



@Dno--"I gave you a link to prove my point where is yours?"---yeah enough said



 

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mesoteto said:
@Dno

" i am trying to make is the the customer is looking for value. not always the cheapest price. and ps2 with online, DVD and ps3 with blu-ray and online and etc. is vaule."

i cant pass this up..in other words the Ps3 does not have value for the price they charged from the launch and if they are thinking of another price cut to boost sles then the majority of consumers still feel it is "extras" and not worth the investment

also you have yet to address my point as to why the wii did not set the bar for price point in this gen

i stated that a long time ago i said that 600 was a mistake i NEVER said that was the best price point my whole shit was about finding the mass market price FOR THE PS3.

thats bullshit and you no it. LOT of people didnt think 600 is enough for ps3 and blu-ray i said that i NEVER SAID anything esle.

But at 250 that IS mass market price for the wii I NEVER SAID it was not.

For example there is a lot of people who would never pay 600 dollars for a ps3 but as sales have proven at 400 more are willing to.

wii has not set the bar because if the ps3 and the 360 was 250 THEY still would not be selling out like the wii. the wii has something that cannot be stopped and sony has to lower the price to counter them. and 250 MAY or MAY NOT be what it is. and a xbox is 279 right? very close to wii yet the demand is NOT there.



Dno said:
tk1989 said:
Dno said:
tk1989 said:

Jumped in for nothing? I just dont like how everything you say is somehow stated as "fact"? all your "facts" have basically been opinionated. Saying that you believe that everyone will be willing to spend extra for all the features on the PS3 is an opinion, not fact; i for one would not be willing to do that, and i bet many people here would take the same stance.
This is a forum, there are meant to be debates. I didnt jump into this debate for no reason, i entered it to give my views and opinions, as you did. But you stated that you were saying facts, when most of you "facts" were in fact opinions. I entered the agument to dispute some of your points, as you are meant to do on forums.

 

Also, about the HD DVD, i did not say it was the sole reason... What i did say can be seen as a reason however; maybe not a significant one in terms of the PS3-hd dvd ratio, but i clearly stated in my post that it was a bad example, but an example neverthless.

well since ps3 is selling at a fast paste (what console do u no that started at 600 and did not die?) i think some people are willing to pay more u might not be one of them but i was.I gave you a link to prove my point where is yours? i still am watitng to see how a price drop on console will hurt them in the long run case i just dont see it. yes this is a forum but you bashed me not the other dude so ima do the same.

and your right HD-dvd was a bad example so why did you use it?

Because, it was an example :P lol. The use of HD DVD was to help prove a point i was trying to make. yes, many people believed Bluray was the superior format etc and bought it solely for that reason, but are you honestly telling me that you would not be put off by constant price cuts on a product? If you were wanting a certain game, and the price of it was cut multiple times in a short period of time would you not be concerned that said game was in fact rubbish? not worth your hard earned cash? that you should maybe spend your money on a safer buy? Why spend £20 on lair when you can spend £30 on Resistance? Are you honestly telling me that you would not be swayed? that you would be willing to fling cash around like there is no tomorrow? well, most consumers (the "average joe") does not have this luxury, and when doubt is in their mind they generally become cautious about their purchase, especially if its gonna set them back a couple hundred dollars...

Yes,some people are willing to pay extra for certain features, but i would say that the majority of people arent (to a certain degree). Ive explained this before. Some people want the extra features, some dont, and some dont give a shit about it.

Also, what do you want me to link?

And, the Ps2 cost 300 quid in the uk, which translates into around $600 (using current exchange rates). the PS3 also has the massive brand name behind it.

 


no i dont buy stuff because it wack. in fact if lair came out at 20 bucks i bet you it would of sold a lot more. in fact i work at gamestop and i often buy 10-20 games even tho they werent that great. that is a highly sold section in the gamestop company.

these are all games that sell and have LOTS of price drops. i used to change the price on games all day long. so i can honeslty say NO if i wanted something and the price dropped i would LOVE to ge it for a lower price so im sorry i do not agree.

i do see what you are saying but if i wasnt interested in something it would not matter how many times it dropped i would not get it. but people are interested in the ps3 thats a fact and more price dropps in this case are welcome.


I never said people buy stuff because its "Wack"; when i said "people dont give a shit", i meant people who did not fit into the toehr two categories, such as the Sony loyalists, and people who have disposable incoems and want to buy the very best technology for the sake of it. I did not say you were part of this group.

The thing about lair is that with crap games that dont sell they generally drop the price, like with lair... If a games been out for a couple of weeks, isnt on the chart anymore, and is now being rtailed for half the original price then i expect most people will think a bit about their purchase before running into it. Once again, i said most people... not everyone is like you and buys 10-20 games that "werent that great" on a whim. 

People are interested in PS3... yes, that is a fact, but people are also interested in the Wii and 360... I dotn get your point? 

With price drops... say there was two price drops in on the PS3 in the space of 2 months.. wouldnt you be asking why they dropped the price so often? Wouldnt there be an ounce of concern? Most consumers would question this... The problem is that the PS3 was (and to many people still is) too much money; Sony cant drop the price too fast though, as it will cause concern amongst its consumers... Get what im saying? what i saying doesnt account for everyone, but people do think like that....



tk1989 said:
Dno said:
mesoteto said:
@Dno--alright every time i think i am out you pull me back in ......heres some info for you just b/c a munfacturing cost is one price does not mean its all the money the company is spending on that product you have to figure in advertising as well as overhead... so sure parts and labor (product cost) for that item might be just 400 but then you have its overhead/marketing/etc (period cost) to figure in as well so as far as you know they could still be bleeding a load for each one they sell

so your link does not "proove" it just kinda supports

also some (not everyone like you seem to think) people dont want the playstation, they want the blu-ray from it keep that in mind

"evryone wants blu-ray and thats why the price dropped because it was failing" --i think you are trying to say everyone wants blu-ray over HD DVD (but i can prove thats false b/c i am going to wait till i can pay 3 dollars and download the movie in HD)

so i have to ask if they lowered the price b/c everyone wanted it rather then the other why is the wii's price still the same?

and very few of my points did you answer, insted you do what many governments do which is called scarecrowing (puting up dummie points to try and take away from the main point) that is why tk1989 had trouble folowing your argument

now please dont way anything silly again there are other threads i would like to post in

you have no common sense you really dont.

i dont think i need to explain myself because what you stated just proves what i stated "it does not prove it it supports it" LMAO

nuff said

Meh? U still make little sense to me. u noted one part of his argument, and totally ignored the rest because it went against all your views. You seem to be unwilling to accept anyones views but your own..,.

 


ok i will

i talked about the 1st one

common sense about the second one blu-ray outsells any HD DVD and digtal download because there is nuthin out for DD that is selling yet. so people are choosing blu-ray not the others, mab not you but sales of blu-ray prove others are.

He stated that he is waitng for DL(down loads) so thats his proof? come on 1 person out of the millions who bought and buys blu-ray? and this  you think  im not willing to open up my opinions?

last point about the wii i dont understand what you are talking about if you explain i will answer....



tk1989 said:
Dno said:
tk1989 said:
Dno said:
tk1989 said:

Jumped in for nothing? I just dont like how everything you say is somehow stated as "fact"? all your "facts" have basically been opinionated. Saying that you believe that everyone will be willing to spend extra for all the features on the PS3 is an opinion, not fact; i for one would not be willing to do that, and i bet many people here would take the same stance.
This is a forum, there are meant to be debates. I didnt jump into this debate for no reason, i entered it to give my views and opinions, as you did. But you stated that you were saying facts, when most of you "facts" were in fact opinions. I entered the agument to dispute some of your points, as you are meant to do on forums.

 

Also, about the HD DVD, i did not say it was the sole reason... What i did say can be seen as a reason however; maybe not a significant one in terms of the PS3-hd dvd ratio, but i clearly stated in my post that it was a bad example, but an example neverthless.

well since ps3 is selling at a fast paste (what console do u no that started at 600 and did not die?) i think some people are willing to pay more u might not be one of them but i was.I gave you a link to prove my point where is yours? i still am watitng to see how a price drop on console will hurt them in the long run case i just dont see it. yes this is a forum but you bashed me not the other dude so ima do the same.

and your right HD-dvd was a bad example so why did you use it?

Because, it was an example :P lol. The use of HD DVD was to help prove a point i was trying to make. yes, many people believed Bluray was the superior format etc and bought it solely for that reason, but are you honestly telling me that you would not be put off by constant price cuts on a product? If you were wanting a certain game, and the price of it was cut multiple times in a short period of time would you not be concerned that said game was in fact rubbish? not worth your hard earned cash? that you should maybe spend your money on a safer buy? Why spend £20 on lair when you can spend £30 on Resistance? Are you honestly telling me that you would not be swayed? that you would be willing to fling cash around like there is no tomorrow? well, most consumers (the "average joe") does not have this luxury, and when doubt is in their mind they generally become cautious about their purchase, especially if its gonna set them back a couple hundred dollars...

Yes,some people are willing to pay extra for certain features, but i would say that the majority of people arent (to a certain degree). Ive explained this before. Some people want the extra features, some dont, and some dont give a shit about it.

Also, what do you want me to link?

And, the Ps2 cost 300 quid in the uk, which translates into around $600 (using current exchange rates). the PS3 also has the massive brand name behind it.

 


no i dont buy stuff because it wack. in fact if lair came out at 20 bucks i bet you it would of sold a lot more. in fact i work at gamestop and i often buy 10-20 games even tho they werent that great. that is a highly sold section in the gamestop company.

these are all games that sell and have LOTS of price drops. i used to change the price on games all day long. so i can honeslty say NO if i wanted something and the price dropped i would LOVE to ge it for a lower price so im sorry i do not agree.

i do see what you are saying but if i wasnt interested in something it would not matter how many times it dropped i would not get it. but people are interested in the ps3 thats a fact and more price dropps in this case are welcome.


I never said people buy stuff because its "Wack"; when i said "people dont give a shit", i meant people who did not fit into the toehr two categories, such as the Sony loyalists, and people who have disposable incoems and want to buy the very best technology for the sake of it. I did not say you were part of this group.

The thing about lair is that with crap games that dont sell they generally drop the price, like with lair... If a games been out for a couple of weeks, isnt on the chart anymore, and is now being rtailed for half the original price then i expect most people will think a bit about their purchase before running into it. Once again, i said most people... not everyone is like you and buys 10-20 games that "werent that great" on a whim. 

People are interested in PS3... yes, that is a fact, but people are also interested in the Wii and 360... I dotn get your point? 

With price drops... say there was two price drops in on the PS3 in the space of 2 months.. wouldnt you be asking why they dropped the price so often? Wouldnt there be an ounce of concern? Most consumers would question this... The problem is that the PS3 was (and to many people still is) too much money; Sony cant drop the price too fast though, as it will cause concern amongst its consumers... Get what im saying? what i saying doesnt account for everyone, but people do think like that....


right it doesnt account for everything but we are talking about the ps3 and if it drops the price again the sales will grow.

we can disagree about this but at 400 its selling faster then 600 and thats the only proof i have. you are going on what you think will happen. i am not lol. it dropped the price TWICE in one year and xbox dropped once in 2 years and wii never yet ps3 sales have increased that is a fact. no one has said "o the ps3 dropped twice i dont want it" in fact people are buying it more



These are all response by Dno in regards to my point of the wii setting the price for the current gen

"actually no its not because it has not dropped the price at all. wii is controlling the market not the price."

"i dont think microsoft and sony are trying to be lower then the wii.... i think they are trying to hit mass market price..... why because 400-600 is a lot of cash. i think sony is trying to get to 299 faster then 360 NOT wii."

"if wii is mass market price then my car was WAY OVER PRICED. i think (and i think everyone will aggree with me) we would all pay a little more for a ps3 then a wii because it does WAY more. If sony wanted to match nintedo then the ps3 would be 249.99 and they would lose on 150 bucks on each system sold and thats way less then they lost before in 2006 when the system dropped. obviously thats NOT their goal."


so you keep switching and still unable to address why the wii did not set the price point for the current gen at 250
"the wii has something that cannot be stopped and sony has to lower the price to counter them"