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sethnintendo said:

How come you didn't take my idea in one of my previous post about cronyism? Networking is very similar to cronyism. Corrupt practices that one must deal with when living in a "free market" society.  Humans will always be corrupt.

Cronyism is the abuse of networking. The latter can easily turn into the former, but they are usually not the same.



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Mr Khan said:
sethnintendo said:

How come you didn't take my idea in one of my previous post about cronyism? Networking is very similar to cronyism. Corrupt practices that one must deal with when living in a "free market" society.  Humans will always be corrupt.

Cronyism is the abuse of networking. The latter can easily turn into the former, but they are usually not the same.


I view it as the same.  Friends helping friends is all I see in it.



So your telling me if your hiring someone and a friend of a friend who know has applied and you know he is a good natured person and he has the required skills..

That you would not give that any extra thought over some random dude...



Mr Khan said:
Soleron said:
I still think you chose the wrong field. There are millions of intelligent people in the US who could take the jobs you're applying for because you don't need to know ANYTHING about International Relations to do a job in it.

So they'd obviously rather take someone who has a good reference from a person they know. It's not cronyism, it's risk aversion.



The only thing wrong with my field is that where i live is a good three to five-hundred miles away from where any jobs in my field are. If i lived in the greater DC metro area, i'd just be signed up with all the temp agencies, and eventually i'd punch through somewhere (and have actual work in the meantime).

I do agree some marketable skills would help, but nobody wants to give me the chance to do that, either (no opportunity to improve my Japanese, jack squat).

Somebody's to blame here that isn't me. It's either old people, hiring managers, or cheaters.


How can you blame others for this?  You said yourself earlier that if you lived elsewhere, you could find a job.  Then live elsewhere? 

I made this same mistake.  Went to school, got the major that I WANTED and then decided out of nowhere "Im not moving!"  Guess what?  My skills do not translate into a job I can get where I live.  Same as you, if I moved Id have no problem finding work. 

Instead, I worked odd jobs/crap jobs for about a year and a half out of school and eventually found a job.   Turned out to be a great career, but it did not look like it at first.



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Mr Khan said:

More or less self-explanatory thread (or, Mr Khan's job-searching rant thread number three).

Networking is cheating. It's modern-day croneyism built into a system that favors insiders and people who know people, heavily favoring so-called "type A" personalities and more extroverted individuals, and overlooking any individuals who worked hard to get where they were but weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths or didn't room with the right guy in college.

When someone gets a job by networking, a more deserving person loses out. Therefore, networking to get a job is cheating, and sites like LinkedIn should be outlawed.

What a terrible and baseless argument. The better person will always get the job,simple as that. If you are not smart enough to network properly then you don't deserve the job. 

I have a job interview next week which I got from networking. That doesn't mean I have the job, it just means my CV landed on the right pile and so the HR manager liked my CV, thus giving me the interview. It is now totally up to me to get that job. 

 

Your argument fails on so many levels it is hilarious. If you have this bitter stance when you are applying for jobs, good luck beating the others guys. 



kowenicki said:

Forgive me. EXPLETIVE!

It's one of a set of skills that you need to be able to function in the modern business world.

If you can't communicate on a personal level then yes you are at a disadvantage. So hey.... Why not put yourself out there and learn.

I wasn't the best in the social business environment either, but I put myself out of my comfort zone and got on with it.

If you think everyone networking is comfortable then you are extremely naive.

Being qualified is less than half the requirement in my experience.

Your problem becomes more apparent by the day, you are negative and it's all someone else's fault.

I wouldn't hire you either. Get over yourself, the world owes you nothing.

 

rant response to rant thread over.

Please take advice from this man, seriously. 



Frankly people like Mr. Khan have no sense of self responsability or self worth



maverick40 said:
Mr Khan said:

More or less self-explanatory thread (or, Mr Khan's job-searching rant thread number three).

Networking is cheating. It's modern-day croneyism built into a system that favors insiders and people who know people, heavily favoring so-called "type A" personalities and more extroverted individuals, and overlooking any individuals who worked hard to get where they were but weren't born with a silver spoon in their mouths or didn't room with the right guy in college.

When someone gets a job by networking, a more deserving person loses out. Therefore, networking to get a job is cheating, and sites like LinkedIn should be outlawed.

What a terrible and baseless argument. The better person will always get the job,simple as that. If you are not smart enough to network properly then you don't deserve the job. 

I have a job interview next week which I got from networking. That doesn't mean I have the job, it just means my CV landed on the right pile and so the HR manager liked my CV, thus giving me the interview. It is now totally up to me to get that job. 

 

Your argument fails on so many levels it is hilarious. If you have this bitter stance when you are applying for jobs, good luck beating the others guys. 

Networking isn't about smarts. It's all about luck.



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Mr Khan said:
kitler53 said:
Mr Khan said:
kowenicki said:

Forgive me. EXPLETIVE!

It's one of a set of skills that you need to be able to function in the modern business world.

If you can't communicate on a personal level then yes you are at a disadvantage. So hey.... Why not put yourself out there and learn.

I wasn't the best in the social business environment either, but I put myself out of my comfort zone and got on with it.

If you think everyone networking is comfortable then you are extremely naive.

Being qualified is less than half the requirement in my experience.

Your problem becomes more apparent by the day, you are negative and it's all someone else's fault.

I wouldn't hire you either. Get over yourself, the world owes you nothing.

 

rant response to rant thread over.

The world owes me a job. Not a great job, but not a job that's exploiting me (as too many seem to want to do).

There i said it.

no, it doesn't.  just like the world doesn't owe anyone a boy/girlfriend.  their is a lot of compitition out there and the spoils go to those that can best grab it.

i don't know a lot about you personally but a thread like this makes it hard for me to believe you are the best potential employee in the crowd.

All of the groups that have actually given me a damn chance (aside from the two scam jobs i picked up this year, whom i parted ways with on very bad terms) enjoyed my work thoroughly. Near the end of my three-month stint with KFC, i was their go-to guy if anyone called off. If the Library hadn't had their budget slashed, they'd still have me on. I fit in very well with the people at the congressional campaign, and Gamestop said i'm better than all of the other seasonal helpers they've hired this year. Got a glowing recommendation from my internship, and forged friendships with the janitorial staff in my work-study job in college (which, given racial and socioeconomic differences there, has to count for something).

Once i get past the hiring managers, their stupid trap questions, cheap tricks, and red tape, institutions generally find me a model worker.

Just out of curiosity...what is your schoolarship like? (Diplomas, degrees, etc...)