well my religion is not against mutation and evolution to begin with but the difference is there is a designer in my religion. well sure all those creatures that died died for many different reasons like environmental changes as well as outer space interference. all for the reason which is us humans so that we can use what was left of it for fuel for example. as I said everything has a reason.

well the logic of a creator is more logical than the universe just deciding to suddenly exist! every creation has a creator but God is not a creation. he is infinite while the universe is finite! if God had a creator and the creator of God had a creator and so on then we would not exist in the fist place as the number of creators would be infinite

Yeah but the multiverse theory is crazier than the idea of a God as the creator of our universe.

Allow me to share this video (with those of you who have the time):

Beware of strong language!

I must say though that I don't approve of his disrespectful attitude. His arguments are rock solid, however.

The spirit of the times has you by the balls. There is nothing absurd in assuming an absolute personhood exists and has manifested this universe.

There are legions of persons like yourself who don't know what they are talking about (case in point is your matter/anti-matter statement up there), yet they have the supreme arrogance to dismiss anything outside their own sphere of belief and experience. Nothing seperates you (though you are most likely less versed in philosophy, theology and mathematics) from the arrogant physicists of the late 19th century who claimed that the mysteries of the universe had been solved completely by Maxwell and Newton.

Intelligence means being able to understand that the same impediments we see imposed on other people are forced on us. You are no doubt of the school that wants to see hard facts expressed through the language and logic of equations. You assume that this constitutes intelligence, and that you thus fall within that bracket. At the very least, through the power of associating with the elevated beings of modernity through the medium of open information exchange, you assume to be a cut above the ignorant peasants who had no access to such a marvel of human ingenuity. But the exact same factors that clouded the vision of your forebearers is heavily planted in your mind and very being. You are so unfortunate that your arrogance won't let you see this simple truth. My humble suggestion is that you take that burning rage you feel in your heart at this very moment as an indication that you are not as calculative in your persuations as you believe.

How many of those that share your view actually know anything of real science? How many people who have ever visited this website understand (or have even looked at) Godel's incompleteness theorem? Combinatorics? Logic systems? General Relativity? Quantum Mechanics?

Probably pop science is as far as it goes. Which is (with all due respect) worse than not knowing anything at all.

Just for reference, and I'm being completely honest here, I'm typing this from a Nuclear Research facility where I'm doing the midnight shift for an experiment and I'm feeling a little peeved by the general expressions on this topic by internet users and people in general alike. You are all using science as some sort of proof for something. It's really not an ok thing to do if you haven't done real science before in your life.

1. You are making fundamental assumptions about God, prayer, and your relationship with God in these statements.

2. These assumptions, while they may be based on your understanding of the watered down theology of your culture, are fundamentally contradictory and simply just not well thought out.

3. Some of your statements, which are based on these assumptions, are self-contradictory.

Why thank you but I think it would take a lot more than my own beliefs to make things peaceful. Because I still battle with myself, but it's for the best 'cause that means there's still a lot I don't know about myself that I can learn.

There is not a shred of information in all the scientific books of the modern world about the subjective experience of consciousness all of us here experience every moment of our lives. Nothing.

This grand canyon of an explanation gap is unserimoniously overlooked, and instead the angry masses are demanding evidence for the God of the ancients, and - they're demands unmet - unruefully slay the existence of the Eternal with the sword of vengeful arrogance.

Is there not divinity in man? And if there is, how would you know of it if you gorge yourselves upon the carcasses of the dead and pump your vesself full of stimulatants during your waking hours? The mindless staring at a square of lit pixels is claimed as an advantage over the primitive forefathers, but to what end is this 'marvel' employed? Staring at young, exploited women who fill your heart and mind with endless impressions of lust and violence?

Your post suggest that personhood is understood. The truth of the matter is that we are further away than ever in understanding it. There may be protests at this statement, but you have no equations to back up your protests.

Absolutely.

The whole big bang idea is infested with unregularities and leaps of faith.

The mere existence of consciousness (and this requires some reflection - and dare I say it - meditation) is alien to a mechanistic world.

The Wave particle duality makes no sense at all - yet it is accepted as the only possible solution. It tears open the guts of what is reasonble and what isn't. The very nature of what we see around is is transformed into a fundamentally illusory state.

Yet, without even understanding the above points at a basic level, people vehemently protest against the existence of religion even thought they have never properly applied themselves to it in the first place. Mind boggling.

(slightly off topic, or actually not:) Cool, do you meditate?

well human like doesn't have to be an exact copy of human consciousness rather something that resembles it. I didn't actually give it that much thought. Just thought it would be a good example of what we can mimic in a computer world.


love your posts btw!