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sales2099 on 22 November 2012

Ironically, PS3 gamers are adopting the 360 tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 approach.

GT5, Uncharted, Gof of War. Same as 360 Halo, Gears, Forza.

Literally everything else outside the 3 tiers sells "meh" at best and/or sales have dropped drastically after a games first release. Aka Infamous, Motorstorm, LBP. Same with Fable, Crackdown, etc.

Some PS3 gamers applaud Sony for their variety, but it can't last forever. Sony sees that their new IPs tend to sell below expectations....expect many more games in Sonys 3 Tiers next gen.



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sales2099 on 22 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
chapset said:
Ps3 owners don't like to play games, they like to argue about graphics instead, also Ps3 has no games


Definitely....so true. Especially when the most exclusives since 2008 have been coming to the PS3.

Have been coming.....but not necessarily selling.



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J_Allard on 22 November 2012

Combination of marketing and meh quality. At least with the sequel. Infamous was top notch. The sequel was terrible imho. I'd love to see the scores it would have gotten if it wasn't named Infamous.



S.T.A.G.E. on 22 November 2012
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
chapset said:
Ps3 owners don't like to play games, they like to argue about graphics instead, also Ps3 has no games


Definitely....so true. Especially when the most exclusives since 2008 have been coming to the PS3.

Have been coming.....but not necessarily selling.

Thats not my point. First of all we know who cares about making games more, secondly the ones that mattered sold very well.  New Ips dont sell so well in the later half of the gen (unless they have the hype to match their greatness). Sony has had many good or great games come out, but they make so many people can't breathe.



enditall727 on 22 November 2012

 

sales2099 said:
Ironically, PS3 gamers are adopting the 360 tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 approach.

GT5, Uncharted, Gof of War. Same as 360 Halo, Gears, Forza.

Literally everything else outside the 3 tiers sells "meh" at best and/or sales have dropped drastically after a games first release. Aka Infamous, Motorstorm, LBP. Same with Fable, Crackdown, etc.

Some PS3 gamers applaud Sony for their variety, but it can't last forever. Sony sees that their new IPs tend to sell below expectations....expect many more games in Sonys 3 Tiers next gen.


Nah that happens in every generation

Look at MGS2 then look at MGS3 (ps2)

Look at FF7 then look at FF8 (ps1)

Look at Metroid Prime then look at Metroid Prime 2 (GC)

Look at Mario Galaxy then look at Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)

Look at Project Gotham Racing then look at Project Gotham Racing 2

 

There are some exceptions though when the 2nd game does better than the 1st though



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sales2099 on 22 November 2012
enditall727 said:

 

sales2099 said:
Ironically, PS3 gamers are adopting the 360 tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 approach.

GT5, Uncharted, Gof of War. Same as 360 Halo, Gears, Forza.

Literally everything else outside the 3 tiers sells "meh" at best and/or sales have dropped drastically after a games first release. Aka Infamous, Motorstorm, LBP. Same with Fable, Crackdown, etc.

Some PS3 gamers applaud Sony for their variety, but it can't last forever. Sony sees that their new IPs tend to sell below expectations....expect many more games in Sonys 3 Tiers next gen.


Nah that happens in every generation

Look at MGS2 then look at MGS3 (ps2)

Look at FF7 then look at FF8 (ps1)

Look at Metroid Prime then look at Metroid Prime 2 (GC)

Look at Mario Galaxy then look at Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)

Look at Project Gotham Racing then look at Project Gotham Racing 2

 

There are some exceptions though when the 2nd game does better than the 1st though

Its easy to name examples but the tier 3 approach seems to be taking hold. 3 franchises per console that refuse to drastically drop off in sales.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

sales2099 on 22 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
chapset said:
Ps3 owners don't like to play games, they like to argue about graphics instead, also Ps3 has no games


Definitely....so true. Especially when the most exclusives since 2008 have been coming to the PS3.

Have been coming.....but not necessarily selling.

Thats not my point. First of all we know who cares about making games more, secondly the ones that mattered sold very well.  New Ips dont sell so well in the later half of the gen (unless they have the hype to match their greatness). Sony has had many good or great games come out, but they make so many people can't breathe.

Thats propaganda.....self induced propaganda at that. Sony just owns more studios. Each is a corporation with the intention to get as much money from us as possible. Yet 360 somehow has more games, and more 70-79, 80-89-90+ games then PS3.

Well....look....at.....that :)

The ones that matter are Sony adopting MS's "3 Tier approach".

New Ips dont sell well in late parts of the gen.....then why is Sony making new Ips late in the gen.....sending them out to die? Making so many games people can't breathe.......more like taking blind shots in the dark and most just don't register with the gamers they are trying to persuade.

Did you know Halo 4 will outsell all 2012 PS3 exclusives combined? That right there says something very significant about this thread OP



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

S.T.A.G.E. on 22 November 2012
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
chapset said:
Ps3 owners don't like to play games, they like to argue about graphics instead, also Ps3 has no games


Definitely....so true. Especially when the most exclusives since 2008 have been coming to the PS3.

Have been coming.....but not necessarily selling.

Thats not my point. First of all we know who cares about making games more, secondly the ones that mattered sold very well.  New Ips dont sell so well in the later half of the gen (unless they have the hype to match their greatness). Sony has had many good or great games come out, but they make so many people can't breathe.

Thats propaganda.....self induced propaganda at that. Sony just owns more studios. Each is a corporation with the intention to get as much money from us as possible. Yet 360 somehow has more games, and more 70-79, 80-89-90+ games then PS3.

Well....look....at.....that :)

The ones that matter are Sony adopting MS's "3 Tier approach".

New Ips dont sell well in late parts of the gen.....then why is Sony making new Ips late in the gen.....sending them out to die? Making so many games people can't breathe.......more like taking blind shots in the dark and most just don't register with the gamers they are trying to persuade.

Did you know Halo 4 will outsell all 2012 PS3 exclusives combined? That right there says something very significant about this thread OP


People still bought Microsofts games, Microsoft wants 3 m or better in sales. They dont get enough games anyway. Microsoft just feels safer to the top three games. Microsofts first generation fleet of games were just horrible. This was a better gen, but still not great. Their top 3 took a step up even though their third best game wont last forever. Halo is a sci-fi shooter that differs from the rest of the crowd of FPS games, but it is no longer novel. It is still the heart of the Xbox existence and without it the Xbox is dead. Theres a healthy crowd who buy the consoles just to have Halo and Gears, Forza and the other multiplats.



enditall727 on 22 November 2012
sales2099 said:
enditall727 said:

 

sales2099 said:
Ironically, PS3 gamers are adopting the 360 tier 1, tier 2, tier 3 approach.

GT5, Uncharted, Gof of War. Same as 360 Halo, Gears, Forza.

Literally everything else outside the 3 tiers sells "meh" at best and/or sales have dropped drastically after a games first release. Aka Infamous, Motorstorm, LBP. Same with Fable, Crackdown, etc.

Some PS3 gamers applaud Sony for their variety, but it can't last forever. Sony sees that their new IPs tend to sell below expectations....expect many more games in Sonys 3 Tiers next gen.


Nah that happens in every generation

Look at MGS2 then look at MGS3 (ps2)

Look at FF7 then look at FF8 (ps1)

Look at Metroid Prime then look at Metroid Prime 2 (GC)

Look at Mario Galaxy then look at Mario Galaxy 2 (Wii)

Look at Project Gotham Racing then look at Project Gotham Racing 2

 

There are some exceptions though when the 2nd game does better than the 1st though

Its easy to name examples but the tier 3 approach seems to be taking hold. 3 franchises per console that refuse to drastically drop off in sales.

The ps1 and ps2 had games that refused to drop off in sales just like this generation and they also had games that DID drop off in sales just like this generation

It happens every generation just like its going to happen next generation



sales2099 on 22 November 2012
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
sales2099 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
chapset said:
Ps3 owners don't like to play games, they like to argue about graphics instead, also Ps3 has no games


Definitely....so true. Especially when the most exclusives since 2008 have been coming to the PS3.

Have been coming.....but not necessarily selling.

Thats not my point. First of all we know who cares about making games more, secondly the ones that mattered sold very well.  New Ips dont sell so well in the later half of the gen (unless they have the hype to match their greatness). Sony has had many good or great games come out, but they make so many people can't breathe.

Thats propaganda.....self induced propaganda at that. Sony just owns more studios. Each is a corporation with the intention to get as much money from us as possible. Yet 360 somehow has more games, and more 70-79, 80-89-90+ games then PS3.

Well....look....at.....that :)

The ones that matter are Sony adopting MS's "3 Tier approach".

New Ips dont sell well in late parts of the gen.....then why is Sony making new Ips late in the gen.....sending them out to die? Making so many games people can't breathe.......more like taking blind shots in the dark and most just don't register with the gamers they are trying to persuade.

Did you know Halo 4 will outsell all 2012 PS3 exclusives combined? That right there says something very significant about this thread OP


People still bought Microsofts games, Microsoft wants 3 m or better in sales. They dont get enough games anyway. Microsoft just feels safer to the top three games. Microsofts first generation fleet of games were just horrible. This was a better gen, but still not great. Their top 3 took a step up even though their third best game wont last forever. Halo is a sci-fi shooter that differs from the rest of the crowd of FPS games, but it is no longer novel. It is still the heart of the Xbox existence and without it the Xbox is dead. Theres a healthy crowd who buy the consoles just to have Halo and Gears, Forza and the other multiplats.

Guess well keep coming back to the old arguments that you dont think XBLA is a viable space to create varied and quality experiences while spending the big money on the big 3 franchises. Call me crazy but spending millions upon millions to make games like Starhawk are a waste of dev time and money judging by the sales. If your gonna invest in a full retail exclusive, make damn sure its gonna sell. MS learned their lesson and Sony will have to learn the hard way.

As long as Forza maintains its surpurb quality itll sustain itself. It makes a profit before its bundles activate anyways. Halo and Gears aint going anywhere. While I won't downtalk Sonys "3 Tiers", I can say MS 3 Tiers sold a ton more as a franchise this gen then Sonys did.

Next gen will truly show which business model works. But one thing is forsure, churning out random retail exclusives with no marketing and hype just to please the diehard fans is not a sustainable future.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles.