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Serious Sam developer rails against “Walled Garden” of Windows 8

Croteam chief technical officer Alen Ladavac has spoken out strongly against Microsoft’s Windows 8 certification system, which he believes represents a dangerous step towards the world of console gaming.

“Gabe Newell did not overreact. What you don’t see here is that, under the hood, the new tiled UI is a means for Microsoft to lock Windows applications into a walled garden, much like the one on iOS,” Ladavac said, letting loose on the Steam forum.

“There is this ‘small detail’ that Microsoft is not advertising anywhere, but you can find it dug deep in the developer documentation: one cannot release a tiled UI application by any other means, but only through Windows Store.”

Calling this rule “horrible”, Ladavac said it’s not just that users will not be able to source software directly from creators or third-parties.

“If it was just about ‘being downloaded from Windows store’, it would not be a problem. It would be nice to have a common hub to download things from,” he said.

“But to get an app onto that store, it has to be certified by Microsoft. This means bringing the ‘console experience’ onto your desktop. Each app that you will get through the Windows Store will have to adhere to certain requirements imposed by Microsoft.”

The dev said Microsoft has already banned modding, and he harbours fears for Open Source, but even if it did not impose such restrictions, Microsoft’s new process would still introduce all the pitfalls of certification.

“Uncertain release dates, rare and late patches, and everything turning out to be more expensive and sucking more,” he said.

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Valid concerns or over-reaction?  Is this good or bad for gaming and gamers?  If it's bad, is there any hope of stopping it?  Ladavac also said, “certification is a broken concept and should be abolished,” which is interesting, though I cannot possibly see Apple or Microsoft giving up on the control and money-making that the certification process brings.



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They'll give it up when Google makes a move. And they will. Windows has thrived because of it's openness. If they decide to exercise this level of control, they effectively give up the PC market that they built.



I think developers will just ignore Metro and things will carry on as usual.



Soleron said:
I think developers will just ignore Metro and things will carry on as usual.


I believe you are probably right on that.  I haven't even experienced Windows 8 but I know that I wouldn't be a fan of the tiled UI.  I assume there won't be a Steam tile even though that is where most PC gamers are wanting to go when they load up their computer.



So the issue is that game developers want to make Metro games but don't want to sell it through the Windows store.

Is this is because they don't want to pay the 20-30% royalty? Most likely...

Considering the security issues and attacks Microsoft has been working on fixing for the last 10 years, there is not a chance in hell they will be allowed to touch Metro through any other means other than the Windows Store and the certification process involved.



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Great! I hope everyone keeps talking trash about Windows 8. Why would anyone prefer it over Windows 7 on traditional PCs?

Microsoft is sacrificing the desktop market (which represents 50% of their existing business) in the hope of conquering the mobile one. They will end up failing on both...



Naninho said:
Great! I hope everyone keeps talking trash about Windows 8. Why would anyone prefer it over Windows 7 on traditional PCs?

Microsoft is sacrificing the desktop market (which represents 50% of their existing business) in the hope of conquering the mobile one. They will end up failing on both...

'Why would anyone prefer it over Windows 7 on traditional PCs?'


1. Cause it's much better OS for HTPCs. I use my new Windows 8 PC with a Logitech remote. No keyboard or mouse necessary.

2. Because it's a much better multi monitor experience than Windows 7. Try it and you'll see why.

3. Faster, efficient, better battery life for laptops and other improvements.

4. And finally, because once you learn to use it properly, and learn the keyboard and mouse shortcuts, it blows Windows 7 out of the water for 95% of tasks. Wanna bet that I can launch CMD prompt, admin tools, disk management, regedit... in Windows 8 faster than you can in Windows 7? No desktop shortcuts...

Also, the mobile and desktop market are going to be the same thing in a few years. Unless microsoft does this, they are dead in the water...



sethnintendo said:
Soleron said:
I think developers will just ignore Metro and things will carry on as usual.


I believe you are probably right on that.  I haven't even experienced Windows 8 but I know that I wouldn't be a fan of the tiled UI.  I assume there won't be a Steam tile even though that is where most PC gamers are wanting to go when they load up their computer.

Hopefully this ends up being the case, though it's horribly anti-competitive--which, of course, is what Microsoft is after.  They want people to have to go through them to see the best sales.  I'll probably be skipping Windows 8, to be honest.



I'll stick with windows 7 thank you



 

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Soleron said:
I think developers will just ignore Metro and things will carry on as usual.

You're probably right, at least until Microsoft relax a bit on some of their more rigid rules.