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Who do you want to win the 2012 election?

Barack Obama 186 61.59%
 
Mitt Romney 56 18.54%
 
See Results 53 17.55%
 
Total:295

Both Candidates fucking blow, but what pisses me off is how Obama is once again being made out to be some savior of America, and the world. Just because Romney is a twat doesn't automatically mean Obama is salvation. Lets me real, Obama has had 4 years and done little to nothing. Sure Romney would be worse for America, but that doesn't mean Obama would be good for it either. Both Candidates blow in my opinion.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

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I dont like either, but I am in college and Obama has been supporting the arts and students. The Republicans pulled the pell grants and if Obama loses a lot of American students in for profit colleges are fucked.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
I dont like either, but I am in college and Obama has been supporting the arts and students. The Republicans pulled the pell grants and if Obama loses a lot of American students in for profit colleges are fucked.

I feel like your being sarcastic here due to your specific refrence to "For profit" colleges.

As Obama went out of his way to try and make it harder for "For Profit" college students to get student loans... only for it to be struck down in federal court.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/07/03/for-profit-colleges-score-court-victory-over-obama-administration-rule/



Social issues aside the real difference between Obama, and Romney is the color of the ties.



I was walking down along the street and I heard this voice saying, "Good evening, Mr. Dowd." Well, I turned around and here was this big six-foot rabbit leaning up against a lamp-post. Well, I thought nothing of that because when you've lived in a town as long as I've lived in this one, you get used to the fact that everybody knows your name.

Kasz216 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
I dont like either, but I am in college and Obama has been supporting the arts and students. The Republicans pulled the pell grants and if Obama loses a lot of American students in for profit colleges are fucked.

I feel like your being sarcastic here due to your specific refrence to "For profit" colleges.

As Obama went out of his way to try and make it harder for "For Profit" college students to get student loans... only for it to be struck down in federal court.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2012/07/03/for-profit-colleges-score-court-victory-over-obama-administration-rule/

I never said a word about loans, I said pell grants. Loans are half the reason a certain amount of students have not been going to college in the first place. Quite a few for profit colleges owned by EDMC are under review from the government the unethical practices while taking government money. I dont care about loans, people dont need to be further in debt, but the pell grants are needed. The only people I feel bad for who have loans are the students whom are already in colleges, and half of those are transferring to other colleges with their credits so they can graduate without having to pay back the loans until after graduation. At least then they will have a degree and a job when they pay back their loans. 

My money is betting that if Romney wins oversight on fraudulent for profit colleges will be lifted, especially the ones owned by Goldman Sachs. Last I checked they were contributing very well to him. 



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Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
this is Gore v Bush all over again, with Gore winning.


I don't know...  Gore actually might of had more in common Policy wise with Mitt Romney they he does Obama.

 

One of Gore's biggest campaign issues was that Bush was going to cause a huge debt, and was going to end up causing the death of social security and medicare because he wasn't serious about reforms because the federal government raids social security and uses it to run up it's own deficit.  His plan actually called for a partial privatisation in the form of the creation of a "retirement savings plus" program.

If anything i'd say it was Gore V Bush... with Bush winning.

Gore is a lot more conservative then people remember, confusing the matter largely because since his election he's built himself a successful buisness based on being  a global warming alaramist by selling carbon offsets and making "An inconvient truth" which most climate scientists agree is overexagerated.   (All while being extremely not green himself.)

 

The Democrats have had some weird shifts since 2000, adopting a more neocon attitude, while advocating more egaltiranism yet actually implementing programs that cause the opposite to happen. i find this most interesting

thanks for the insight. i wasn't much for politic's back in the gore days.



MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
this is Gore v Bush all over again, with Gore winning.


I don't know...  Gore actually might of had more in common Policy wise with Mitt Romney they he does Obama.

 

One of Gore's biggest campaign issues was that Bush was going to cause a huge debt, and was going to end up causing the death of social security and medicare because he wasn't serious about reforms because the federal government raids social security and uses it to run up it's own deficit.  His plan actually called for a partial privatisation in the form of the creation of a "retirement savings plus" program.

If anything i'd say it was Gore V Bush... with Bush winning.

Gore is a lot more conservative then people remember, confusing the matter largely because since his election he's built himself a successful buisness based on being  a global warming alaramist by selling carbon offsets and making "An inconvient truth" which most climate scientists agree is overexagerated.   (All while being extremely not green himself.)

 

The Democrats have had some weird shifts since 2000, adopting a more neocon attitude, while advocating more egaltiranism yet actually implementing programs that cause the opposite to happen. i find this most interesting

thanks for the insight. i wasn't much for politic's back in the gore days.

A Gore presidency would of been interesting.  He'd get  terms.

A lot of people like to look back with hindsight and argue that everything from the financial crissis to 9/11 would of been prevented.  Which seems unlikely.

There was really nothing to suggest Gore was more worried about Terrorism then Bush, so 9/11 seems like it'd stay.  Even the people that blame "conservative policies" for the GFC, blame policies that generally passed under Clinton with wide bipartisian support... so that would of still happened.

We wouldn't have invaded Iraq though, so that would of been a plus.  Gore may have been green focuses but I doubt he'd of got much change at all through the congress. 

Would he have invaded Afghanistan.... maybe not.  The Clinton record on Afghanistan was confusing.  He more or less got in the opposition to the Taliban's way.  Things had slowly changed toward supporting them after the embassy bombings... the US Looked like it was eventually going to shift to be anti-taliban...

then 9/11 happened.  I would lean towards yes... but who knows.

Assuming he did invade, things would probably look a little better thanks to a singular focus, but probably not much better.   We possibly would of caught Bin Laden Sooner.

Drones, he likely would of used a lot like Bush.   Ironically we'd probably have ended up with a Republican president right now thanks to the GFC.  Probably a young, economicaly rightwing president as everyone would blame Gore.

Honestly, we very well could have President Paul Ryan right now... or at least in 2008.

Based on 2012, it seems likely President Ryan would of lost reelection.



Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
Kasz216 said:
MARCUSDJACKSON said:
this is Gore v Bush all over again, with Gore winning.


I don't know...  Gore actually might of had more in common Policy wise with Mitt Romney they he does Obama.

 

One of Gore's biggest campaign issues was that Bush was going to cause a huge debt, and was going to end up causing the death of social security and medicare because he wasn't serious about reforms because the federal government raids social security and uses it to run up it's own deficit.  His plan actually called for a partial privatisation in the form of the creation of a "retirement savings plus" program.

If anything i'd say it was Gore V Bush... with Bush winning.

Gore is a lot more conservative then people remember, confusing the matter largely because since his election he's built himself a successful buisness based on being  a global warming alaramist by selling carbon offsets and making "An inconvient truth" which most climate scientists agree is overexagerated.   (All while being extremely not green himself.)

 

The Democrats have had some weird shifts since 2000, adopting a more neocon attitude, while advocating more egaltiranism yet actually implementing programs that cause the opposite to happen. i find this most interesting

thanks for the insight. i wasn't much for politic's back in the gore days.

A Gore presidency would of been interesting.  He'd get  terms.

A lot of people like to look back with hindsight and argue that everything from the financial crissis to 9/11 would of been prevented.  Which seems unlikely. agreed, but i think we'd be in an even better position.

There was really nothing to suggest Gore was more worried about Terrorism then Bush, so 9/11 seems like it'd stay.  Even the people that blame "conservative policies" for the GFC, blame policies that generally passed under Clinton with wide bipartisian support... so that would of still happened. agreed

We wouldn't have invaded Iraq though, so that would of been a plus.  Gore may have been green focuses but I doubt he'd of got much change at all through the congress. agreed. maybe a more Obama approach.

Would he have invaded Afghanistan.... maybe not.  The Clinton record on Afghanistan was confusing.  He more or less got in the opposition to the Taliban's way.  Things had slowly changed toward supporting them after the embassy bombings... the US Looked like it was eventually going to shift to be anti-taliban...

then 9/11 happened.  I would lean towards yes... but who knows. your 3rd paragraph covers why this is true.

Assuming he did invade, things would probably look a little better thanks to a singular focus, but probably not much better.   We possibly would of caught Bin Laden Sooner. agreed, but not sure if we'd have caught Bin Laden sooner, although i'd have had more faith that Gore would have got'n him by the end of his second term.

Drones, he likely would of used a lot like Bush.   Ironically we'd probably have ended up with a Republican president right now thanks to the GFC.  Probably a young, economicaly rightwing president as everyone would blame Gore. i'm not so suree if we'd have ended up with a republican president, as i think Gore would have left us in better shape leaving the door open for another Dem. president

Honestly, we very well could have President Paul Ryan right now... or at least in 2008. don't scare me like that! 

Based on 2012, it seems likely President Ryan would of lost reelection. now that makess me feel alot better.