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Of the two main candidates for president, who will win?

Barack Obama 245 75.85%
 
Mitt Romney 73 22.60%
 
Total:318
noname2200 said:
Wait, since when did Obama lose the popular vote, let alone by "a lot"?


As it currently stands:

Popular Vote 50% / 60,085,524 Obama
Popular Vote 48% / 57,401,992 Romney
Don't know what Trump is talking about.


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Wagram said:
noname2200 said:
Wait, since when did Obama lose the popular vote, let alone by "a lot"?


As it currently stands:

Popular Vote 50% / 60,085,524 Obama
Popular Vote 48% / 57,401,992 Romney
Don't know what Trump is talking about.

That was my understanding as well. It's not exactly a landslide, but it's still a majority of the total votes, let alone any individual candidate's votes.



haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:

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Yo Mr Khan, what are your thoughts about the elections?

Mostly pleased, except for the shellacing my congressional candidate (Pennsylvania 3rd district) got. The one i was working for.

Anyway... I think the general theme of this election is that the Republicans have flung themselves too far to the right. I mean, i won't deny that Obama's overseen a period economically comparable to the hated 1970s, and some of that may have been his fault (though in all objectivity, partisan obstructionism on both sides is a big part of our gridlock as well), but while the Democrats are willing to move to the middle, the Republicans clearly aren't. The embrace of some of the more radical economic policies, as well as their extreme slants on gays and reproductive rights have completely screwed them over. I mean, look at Todd Akin, who got his ass whomped over his rape comments even though McCaskill (his opponent) was not very well-liked in Missouri.

Similarly, we have Richard Mourdock from Indiana. He beat the Republican senator, Lugar, in the primaries, because Indiana Republicans didn't like Lugar's willingness to work across the aisle, and then his stupid rape comments caused the Republicans to lose one of their coveted Senate seats entirely.

It's clear. The Republicans need to focus on common-sense reforms and abandon their extreme stances on the economy and wedge issues, or face irrelevence. I mean, if they can't beat Obama under these conditions, their only hope (other than changing themselves) is that the global economic meltdown comes in the next four years.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

Mr Khan said:
Todd Akin - defeated
Richard Mourdock - defeated

Bad day to be a rapist.

actually it seems it would be a good day to be a rapist. seeing as the party that least wants severe punishment for them won.

Rapists should be happy, they probably can look forward to raping several women, and then only get like 5 years in jail, and probation if they agree to get consuling or something. And to top it all off the government will pay to kill his child, a child that he cares a grand total of ZERO shits about.

so overall all they should be quite happy about the election.



Sigh, I would like to post stuff that woud get me band here that people would love on GAF.

I thank the Gods Romneys is not my President and that Colorado went to Obama.



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noname2200 said:
the2real4mafol said:
Despite Obama's win i wish they did the clean sweep and got the house alongside the senate, that would of been awesome. But does it matter? Which is more important for the democrats to have, the house or the senate?

Both, I think; sufficient obstructionism in either is enough to derail, or at least heavily stall, any program.


Who said that Republicans need a house majority to be obstructionist? Check out the record number of Filibusters used by Republicans when the Democrats are in power. They didn't want to pass policy. They wanted to stall the process to use as ammunition against the Democrats.

Now that Obama is on his last term, he has nothing to lose. Republicans on the other hand get reviewed in 2014, so they have the choice of sticking with the lunatic Tea Party, or looking to be bipartisan. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do to prevent them from losing the house in 2 years.



I'm surprised no conservative commentators linked Obama's winning to Halo 4's release.

"It's all a left wing conspiracy, I tell ya! Obama wanted Halo 4 to be released on election day to get his lazy base to get off their fat asses and vote while they're at it!"

Seems like I'm better at thinking up left wing conspiracies than right wingers are.



Mr Khan said:
haxxiy said:
Mr Khan said:

( )

Yo Mr Khan, what are your thoughts about the elections?

Mostly pleased, except for the shellacing my congressional candidate (Pennsylvania 3rd district) got. The one i was working for.

Anyway... I think the general theme of this election is that the Republicans have flung themselves too far to the right. I mean, i won't deny that Obama's overseen a period economically comparable to the hated 1970s, and some of that may have been his fault (though in all objectivity, partisan obstructionism on both sides is a big part of our gridlock as well), but while the Democrats are willing to move to the middle, the Republicans clearly aren't. The embrace of some of the more radical economic policies, as well as their extreme slants on gays and reproductive rights have completely screwed them over. I mean, look at Todd Akin, who got his ass whomped over his rape comments even though McCaskill (his opponent) was not very well-liked in Missouri.

Similarly, we have Richard Mourdock from Indiana. He beat the Republican senator, Lugar, in the primaries, because Indiana Republicans didn't like Lugar's willingness to work across the aisle, and then his stupid rape comments caused the Republicans to lose one of their coveted Senate seats entirely.

It's clear. The Republicans need to focus on common-sense reforms and abandon their extreme stances on the economy and wedge issues, or face irrelevence. I mean, if they can't beat Obama under these conditions, their only hope (other than changing themselves) is that the global economic meltdown comes in the next four years.

Interesting. What do you think it's more damaging to the image of the republican party - the Bush years creating sort of a public perception they are warmongers or the attachment to christian morals? Perhaps where they both mix? I can't say I would be happy if my country were fighting wars over some two-thousand year prophecies. 

Personally I would disagree with the economic instance of the GOP being an issue, yeah perhaps a bit extreme and liable to not make a part of the population happy, but a genuine conviction nevertheless that could turn out to be right one, who knows. But I could be wrong and you could be right, I don't know a lot of the inner workings of it to express a stronger opinion.



 

 

 

 

 

fordy said:


Who said that Republicans need a house majority to be obstructionist? Check out the record number of Filibusters used by Republicans when the Democrats are in power. They didn't want to pass policy. They wanted to stall the process to use as ammunition against the Democrats.

Now that Obama is on his last term, he has nothing to lose. Republicans on the other hand get reviewed in 2014, so they have the choice of sticking with the lunatic Tea Party, or looking to be bipartisan. It will be interesting to see what they decide to do to prevent them from losing the house in 2 years.


Hmm, true, although I'd argue that having control of the branch of the legislature which originates spending bills is a much longer lever than merely filibustering in the Senate.

As for your second paragraph, I'm curious to hear what folks think will happen. Personally, I expect the hard-liners to double down, not moderate. No idea what the rest of the party intends, although they've been happy to go along with the hard-liners for quite some time now.



Dodece said:
@Electoral College

The United States is a Union. Each state has a right to allocate its votes as it sees fit. Not just to benefit the nation as a whole, but in the way that is most beneficial to the state. When a state casts its votes as a block it is making the case to a national candidate that they have to work hard to win that block of votes. That means doing more for that state. Whereas if a state chooses to parcel its vote based on the popular vote the national candidate is almost sure to put far less effort into appeasing the citizens of that state.

To put it mildly a bigger prize won narrowly carries more weight then a prize where you can get just a sliver more then the other guy. That means that splitting your states vote actually reduces your leverage in a election. Your vote becomes worth less. Even more important then that however is the following. Every person in a given state is valued whether they vote for a candidate or not.

You may dismiss those that refuse to vote out of hand, but that is a choice they are making. Not participating isn't a argument for them being devalued. When you vote in a block vote their voting power is added to your own. So even if they aren't voting. Their welfare is still being safe guarded by you the voter. When you block vote you all speak as one, and that means the national candidate has to pay more attention to you. Whether you are excited, or outright lethargic about the contest.

The Electoral College does its job, and the members take their jobs seriously. It isn't just about being a delivery man. They exist to act as a bulwark against the unanticipated. They ensure that no matter what we will have a continuation of leadership. Thankfully we have never had to rely on that back up, but it is good that we have one in place.

Hey I have nothing against a popular vote system, and I actively encourage you to petition your State government to enact such a system for your state. That said who are you to tell my State how it should, or should not vote. If you want to waste your vote go right ahead, and I will gladly accept the value add that my vote will get in return for that. Leave my State out of your crazy little scheme.


I think it's interesting how much people stick up for the electoral college like this.  You come off as a politician.  The truth of the matter is that the Three-Fifths Compromise counted a slave as 3/5 of a human being.  This was agreed upon in 1787.  The electoral college was created in order to take power away from certain portions of the population.  This was created in 1787.  Interesting how it's the same year.  The college was created in order to make sure there was an imbalance of power, and that the minorities in the United States would never be fully counted.  This is the people's history, the true history.  Continue politicking.