chocoloco said:
Kasz216 said:
Which more or less does seem to be the case when looking at the non competitive state poll numbers.
Obama oddly seems to be underperforming in democratic strongholds, and in Republican strongholds, but overperforming in swing states...
(aka the only states that matter.)
Likely it's due to the Rightwing strongholds seeing him as a socialist due to Obamacare and Illegal immigration
while the Democratic strongholds are disheartened by his neoconservative tendencies, including but not limited to, drone kill lists, pot dispensery raids, NDAA, Fiza reauthorization and Guantanomo still open.
That and the fact that a lot of democratic states have been hit kinda hard in the GFC so there has likely been some liberal migration to battleground states.
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I cannot speak for most of the country concerning shifts in Swing state votes. As far as the West is concerned, there is continual rise in the Hispanic/Latino population as I am sure most are aware of. Many of these people are not known to respond to polls as they are not done in Spanish which is the language of choice for much of the demographic. This easily can be seen in New Mexico which has largely shifted to a liberal state rather quickly since it was mostly Republican since 2004. 2012's supports in New Mexico have shown that support for democrats has risen substantially since 2008, much like the Hispanic population has risen all over the country. This has had an affect on the entire Nation it would seem, that it has in my opinion. There is no other demographic rising as fast and it is historically almost as liberal a population as Blacks. This is probably not the only answer, but there is a substantial decline in White voters as the population also declines. Of course, White males are the most likely to vote Republican. I can very much say the reason Colorado is so close is because of the gigantic military presence which causes the state to have the highest male population in the country. There are obviously many variables though I do not see how people can argue against a shift in the vote due to rise of Latinos in the population. As far as I am concerned, it should be trend that continues. I am sure you are aware of most of this though I kind just have to lay it out as it does seem like it will have a large impact on the eventual outcome, and have a much larger affect in the future..
Yes, Obama has not been as liberal as his voting showed before he was elected President. It is certain that he is a pragmatist and his life story has always shown he does listen to those that disagree with him personally.
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The thing is... even if this was the case, it wouldn't explain why Obama would be underperforming compaired to previous democrats in democratic strongholds though...
Also, while democrats lead greatly in hispanic self identification... that doesn't seem to matieralize as much voting wise...
it seems like Independents and even self identifying democrats tend to lean into republicans when it comes to voting... putting it more like a 65-45 split... when based on identification numbers you'd think its more like a 75-25 split if generous to republicans.
Really I think it's mostly because "Republican" is more or less a bad word. You might vote for a Republican, or even consistantly republican... but you'd hate to be labeled one.
Hispanics are a lot like African Americans in that they hold a significant number of conservative views, but in general vote democrat because well... Republicans are politically stupid, and keep catering to conservative whtie base that isn't going to ever abandon them anyway. I mean it's worth noting most Hispanic people are Catholics... sure from a more liberal vein of catholicism, but still, marketidly conservative compaired to your average US voter.
George W. Bush made strides to breach the gap and turn Histpanics into a Republican voting block... but well... he was George W Bush. So the "Pro Histpanic" wing of the Republican party lost favor after that.