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mai on 31 October 2012

Games that should have been excluded from the list judging by the criteria provided imo:
Killer Instinct (SNES): 3.2 million worldwide
South Park 64 (N64): 1.14 million worldwide
F-Zero X (N64): 1.1 million worldwide
Tales Of Symphonia (GameCube): 953k worldwide
Killer Instinct Gold (N64): 820k ww
House of the Dead Overkill (Wii): 800k worldwide
Conker's Bad Fur Day (N64): 770k worldwide
Xenoblade (Wii): 740k worldwide
MadWorld (Wii): 700k worldwide
F-Zero GX (GameCube): 650k worldwide
Red Steel 2 (Wii): 540k worldwide
No More Heroes (Wii): 520k
Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom (Wii): 490k
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World (Wii): 470k worldwide
The Last Story (Wii): 410k worldwide
Sin & Punishment: Star Successor (Wii): 370k worldwide
No More Heroes 2 (Wii): 350k worldwide

Probably quite a few games that should have been included in the list instead. Overall skewed criteria, god knows what methodology and uncertain goal. Try again, hint - objective critera might help bring objective result - so that you wouldn't need happydolphin running around defending OP. Rol pretty much nailed it down, so there's not much left to say.



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Faxanadu on 31 October 2012

So how exactly does the success of GTA, GT and FF imply that anything else sells on Sony consoles?



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Mr Khan on 31 October 2012
Train wreck said:
Soundwave said:
TruckOSaurus said:
happydolphin said:
TruckOSaurus said:
That's one of the worst definition of "hardcore" I've ever seen.

Good for you. Now propose an alternative that builds on OP rather than putting him down.

Okay, let me put it that way: the research done to get the sales of all the games is commendable but the selection of said games seems to have been done so the results would prove his final point. His rules conveniently exclude games that would go against his conclusion like New Super Mario Bros. Wii or Mario Kart Wii or Super Smash Bros. Brawl.


The list as pointed out in the OP was to give some context into what a game like ZombiU might sell.

We already know that Mario games sell well on Nintendo consoles, that doesn't really mean much if you're developing say ... Zombi U or Ninja Gaiden.

This list is intended to remove that and look at things from the POV of a publisher who doesn't have the luxury of putting Mario or Mickey or Lego, etc. into their games, by looking at the historical record of what games like that have sold on Nintendo platforms from 1995 onwards.

One of the interesting trends that becomes visible is that it's very hard to sell more than 3 million copies of a game without benefit of Mario/Zelda or a kids-friendly brand on the last three Nintendo game consoles (15-16 year period).

You already see two games 'marioified' their Wii U lineup.  Tekken and Scarbblenauts developers know their games wont be able to stand up on their own against nintendo's own lineup so they have to include characters (or look alikes) to be revelant.  

Not sure if you're being serious here... Scribblenauts certainly didn't need it. As for Tekken... not sure what they're thinking.



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Immortal on 31 October 2012
happydolphin said:

I've always liked you immortal, so it's nothing personal. I'm just totally fed up of the usual arguments and people labeling others as misrepresenting simply because they aim to point out possible truths using sales numbers selectively so as to draw patterns.

It's been a burden on me for the longest time and I'm going to vehemently fight against it, this is where I'm starting.

We are here to learn, we are here to analyze and we are here to speculate. If every time someone emits a hypothesis that has gaps but could use work, that people bash it, we will go nowhere on vgchartz. I think it's time we tried something new.


Fair enough. VGChartz members would certainly be better off being less bashful and dismissive of arguments just because they don't like them. It's really just your tone that annoyed me a bit, there. Just elaborating on what you mean already does wonders for making your argument and making you sound much more reasonable.



 

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Jaywood2010 on 31 October 2012

lol I see that you put time into this but seeing as how you didn't put banjo in here then this list is pretty worthless.




       

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runqvist on 31 October 2012

Interesting read. Those numbers are very low.



runqvist on 31 October 2012
Soundwave said:
RolStoppable said:
noname2200 said:
Betcha half these numbers are inflated, too!

Probably. The OP is pretty biased anyway, because all Nintendo games should be excluded by default.


Here you go, all Nintendo games excluded (I did keep MGS: The Twin Snakes and RR64 even though these are developed with support/financing from Nintendo they are third party franchises):

Star Wars Episode I Racer (N64): 3.12 million worldwide
Star Wars: Shadows of the Empire (N64): 2.65 million worldwide
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron (N64): 2.17 million worldwide
Resident Evil 4 (Wii): 2.11 million worldwide


Monster Hunter Tri (Wii): 1.9 million worldwide
Star Wars Rogue Squadron II (GameCube): 1.9 million
Turok 2 (N64): 1.89 million worldwide
GoldenEye (Wii): 1.7 million worldwide
Resident Evil 4 (GameCube): 1.69 million worldwide
Resident Evil: The Umbrella Chronicles (Wii): 1.49 million worldwide
Resident Evil REmake (GameCube): 1.4 million worldwide
Resident Evil 0 (GameCube): 1.29 million worldwide
Mission: Impossible (N64): 1.17 million worldwide
South Park 64 (N64): 1.14 million worldwide
NFL Quarterback Club '98 (N64): 1.08 million worldwide
Red Steel (Wii): 1 million worldwide (approx)

Resident Evil: Darkside Chronicles (Wii): 970k worldwide
Tales Of Symphonia (GameCube): 953k worldwide
Star Wars: Rogue Squadron III (GameCube): 800k worldwide
House of the Dead Overkill (Wii): 800k worldwide
MadWorld (Wii): 700k worldwide


Red Steel 2 (Wii): 540k worldwide
The Conduit (Wii): 530k worldwide
No More Heroes (Wii): 520k
Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom (Wii): 490k
Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World (Wii): 470k worldwide
DOOM 64 (N64): 470k worldwide
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (GameCube): 470k worldwide
Ridge Racer 64 (N64): 400k worldwide
No More Heroes 2 (Wii): 350k worldwide

Should be noted that Episode I Racer was bundled with the N64 for a time, so that probably inflates its numbers. Still, Star Wars did quite well for itself on Nintendo platforms.

Now that is an awesome reply. :D You totally owned him.



DieAppleDie on 31 October 2012

the title is misleading
it doesnt match with the point you are trying to prove
include all the hardcore Nintendo games or change the title to "adult themed best selling games on Nintendo platforms"



Soundwave on 31 October 2012

Am I allowed to change the title?

People are too immature or defensive to handle one word ("hardcore") being used apparently, so it would be better to change it to Best Selling Non-Family-Themed Software or something excessively long like that, lol.

Even though it's explained pretty freaking clearly in the OP exactly what types of games I'm using as a metric.



DieAppleDie on 31 October 2012

you are trying to say that adult themed games dont sell much on Nintendo hw, which is fine, but the damn title is wrong, doesnt match with the op, thats all