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disolitude on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:

But when developers realize that customers aren't interested in the Windows ecosystem they will go back to where they came from lol.

No one will care that his or her Windows 8 desktop PC can talk to a Windows Phone or Windows Tablet and they will keep buying their Androids, iPhones and iPads.

Remember E3 and SmartGlass? Was anyone excited? No. And yet we're talking about a tech savy audience.

Everyone sees how MS desperatly is trying to use this unified ecosystem argument as a selling point but it just doesn't work. Because it's Microsoft. But when Apple and Google do it - and they will in the future - it will probably work.


You're no longer using valid arguments here, just personal opinions on Microsoft so I can't really argue back. I disagree, and that's that...



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Slimebeast on 29 October 2012
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:

But when developers realize that customers aren't interested in the Windows ecosystem they will go back to where they came from lol.

No one will care that his or her Windows 8 desktop PC can talk to a Windows Phone or Windows Tablet and they will keep buying their Androids, iPhones and iPads.

Remember E3 and SmartGlass? Was anyone excited? No. And yet we're talking about a tech savy audience.

Everyone sees how MS desperatly is trying to use this unified ecosystem argument as a selling point but it just doesn't work. Because it's Microsoft. But when Apple and Google do it - and they will in the future - it will probably work.


You're no longer using valid arguments here, just personal opinions on Microsoft so I can't really argue back. I disagree, and that's that...

Dude it's not personal opinions.

I have no bias against Microsoft. I love Microsoft.

But the writing is on the wall. Can't you see it?

I'll give you valid arguments:

Nokia too went on and on about this ecosystem in the last few years. Look where they are now. All but forgotten and soon dead. So an investment in ecosystems doesn't guarantee success, far from it.

I gave you a great example of consumer reaction (you yourself admitted the consumer is a part of the chain - devs will be there only if consumers are attracted), SmartGlass and the frosty reception it got at E3.

Reviews of Surface RT - mediocre.

Launch of Surface RT - a staged release only at select stores.

Analysts about the future of Windows tablets - gloomy. (only 8% marketshare by 2015 according to this report http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Surface-Windows-8-Tablet,18227.html )



Jaywood2010 on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
JayWood2010 said:
Slimebeast said:
JayWood2010 said:
Slimebeast said:
Comments from a very select few who don't reflect the mass market.

selnor, you are trying your best at hyping this device but 6 months from now no one here on VGC will be talking about it because it's declared dead by then with less than 5% marketshare.


Windows 8 tablets in general will be huge.  Do you realize that 85% of the market for computers is 85% windows?  They are expecting 400 million Windows 8 computers to be sold next year so Windows 8 will be very recognized on tablets, phones, and computers.  In fact I bet you are using a Windows product right now?

Microsoft has been selling hundreds of millions of operating systems every year since the freaking 80's so even an ape knows they will do so in 2013 as well. But did that make the original Xbox successful, or Zune successful or Windows Phone successful?

Yes of course I am using Windows since I am forced to since that's the only option if you want PC gaming.

But what happens when people have the choice to choose something else than Microsoft? They choose something else.


You are wrong on multiple accounts.  

1.  XBOX, Zune, and Windows phones are not using windows.  Windows 8 phones will have a little more in common with Windows 8 so this should help Windows phones because then it will be a recognizable product.  

2.  Ever heard of MAC and Linux?  People already have alternate choices.  They just don't do it as well as Windows.  As long as Windows has Microsoft Office and the name Microsoft Windows then it will always be the market leader unless something completely revolutionary comes out.  Windows has been around far too long to just fall off the market.  And if anybody makes something revolutionary in th OS market, my bet would be on Microsoft. 

But the average consumer doesn't even know that those devices aren't really Windows. And what good would it be if they knew? Most customers would not buy a Windows product if there existed an alternative.

Have you seen any link to an analyst predicting success for Microsoft OS on tablets? if so please provide me with one.


Kid please be quite.  You are talking pure opinions rather than give anything factual.  In fact you have stated twice now that there is noo other OS. MAC and Linux are both operating systems and they are not being used over Windows.  Do you realize how big Windows and Microsoft is?  This is not some petty little console war.  Since the Surface was announced it has been predicted to be a success, and do you know why?  Because of Windows 8.  Windows 8 will push tablets, computers, and phones all in one.  If you are going to give any argument on why Windows 8 would not be a success on tablets please do so, because I highly doubt you can come up with a reasonable argument. Will the surface alone outsell apple and android?  No but I guarantee you that in a whole, Windows 8 will dominate the market as Windows always does.  This will include all windows 8 devices.  It is an ecosystem, not just one product.  You act as if Microsoft became Microsoft by selling hardware.  Surface is showcasing its software.




       

disolitude on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:

But when developers realize that customers aren't interested in the Windows ecosystem they will go back to where they came from lol.

No one will care that his or her Windows 8 desktop PC can talk to a Windows Phone or Windows Tablet and they will keep buying their Androids, iPhones and iPads.

Remember E3 and SmartGlass? Was anyone excited? No. And yet we're talking about a tech savy audience.

Everyone sees how MS desperatly is trying to use this unified ecosystem argument as a selling point but it just doesn't work. Because it's Microsoft. But when Apple and Google do it - and they will in the future - it will probably work.


You're no longer using valid arguments here, just personal opinions on Microsoft so I can't really argue back. I disagree, and that's that...

Dude it's not personal opinions.

I have no bias against Microsoft. I love Microsoft.

But the writing is on the wall. Can't you see it?

I'll give you valid arguments:

Nokia too went on and on about this ecosystem in the last few years. Look where they are now. All but forgotten and soon dead. So an investment in ecosystems doesn't guarantee success, far from it.

I gave you a great example of consumer reaction (you yourself admitted the consumer is a part of the chain - devs will be there only if consumers are attracted), SmartGlass and the frosty reception it got at E3.

Reviews of Surface RT - mediocre.

Launch of Surface RT - a staged release only at select stores.

Analysts about the future of Windows tablets - gloomy. (only 8% marketshare in 2015 according to this report http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Surface-Windows-8-Tablet,18227.html )


Nokia needed to change as a company. They were never going to be the massive phone seller they were 10 years ago. 

Did you even look at Nokias financials last quarter? Their phone business actually made money on non-IFRS basis. Look up what that means you you will see that they will be more than fine.

Reviews on Wii - mediocre. Sold like gangbusters

Reviews on Britney Spears's albums - mediocre to bad, sells like crazy.

But more importantly...

Reviews on Windows 8 - good to Great



Vertigo-X on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:

Windows Phone is dead. It's been on the market for over a year and achieved nothing.

In the last quarter (July-September 2012) Nokia, the biggest Windows Phone vendor by far, sold a measly 2.9 million Windows Phones at an average selling price of $200.

Meanwhile Apple sold 27 million iPhones at $650 a piece. That's 30 times more revenue for iPhones than Nokia Windows Phones. And let's not even mention profit margins, because they are non-existent on Windows Phones.

And Android smartphones sold even more.


...

 

*Sigh* You really do have no idea what you're talking about. This is getting really, really sad.

 

Guys, he's not going to change his mind. Despite the obviousness of his posts containing mostly pure opinion he still persists as it being fact.

 

Case in point: he's a troll.



The BuShA owns all!

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Slimebeast on 29 October 2012
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:

But when developers realize that customers aren't interested in the Windows ecosystem they will go back to where they came from lol.

No one will care that his or her Windows 8 desktop PC can talk to a Windows Phone or Windows Tablet and they will keep buying their Androids, iPhones and iPads.

Remember E3 and SmartGlass? Was anyone excited? No. And yet we're talking about a tech savy audience.

Everyone sees how MS desperatly is trying to use this unified ecosystem argument as a selling point but it just doesn't work. Because it's Microsoft. But when Apple and Google do it - and they will in the future - it will probably work.


You're no longer using valid arguments here, just personal opinions on Microsoft so I can't really argue back. I disagree, and that's that...

Dude it's not personal opinions.

I have no bias against Microsoft. I love Microsoft.

But the writing is on the wall. Can't you see it?

I'll give you valid arguments:

Nokia too went on and on about this ecosystem in the last few years. Look where they are now. All but forgotten and soon dead. So an investment in ecosystems doesn't guarantee success, far from it.

I gave you a great example of consumer reaction (you yourself admitted the consumer is a part of the chain - devs will be there only if consumers are attracted), SmartGlass and the frosty reception it got at E3.

Reviews of Surface RT - mediocre.

Launch of Surface RT - a staged release only at select stores.

Analysts about the future of Windows tablets - gloomy. (only 8% marketshare in 2015 according to this report http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Surface-Windows-8-Tablet,18227.html )


Nokia needed to change as a company. They were never going to be the massive phone seller they were 10 years ago. 

Did you even look at Nokias financials last quarter? Their phone business actually made money on non-IFRS basis. Look up what that means you you will see that they will be more than fine.

Reviews on Wii - mediocre. Sold like gangbusters

Reviews on Britney Spears's albums - mediocre to bad, sells like crazy.

But more importantly...

Reviews on Windows 8 - good to Great

Nokia made a small profit on a non-IFRS basis thanks to profitability of its network business, not from phone sales. And those one-time charges that turn profits into losses will be repeated as the company is forced to do more and more layoffs. Nokia is shrinking, and sales are declining fast from all of its portfolios. Nokia is finished in the smartphone business.



Slimebeast on 29 October 2012
Vertigo-X said:
Slimebeast said:

Windows Phone is dead. It's been on the market for over a year and achieved nothing.

In the last quarter (July-September 2012) Nokia, the biggest Windows Phone vendor by far, sold a measly 2.9 million Windows Phones at an average selling price of $200.

Meanwhile Apple sold 27 million iPhones at $650 a piece. That's 30 times more revenue for iPhones than Nokia Windows Phones. And let's not even mention profit margins, because they are non-existent on Windows Phones.

And Android smartphones sold even more.


...

 

*Sigh* You really do have no idea what you're talking about. This is getting really, really sad.

 

Guys, he's not going to change his mind. Despite the obviousness of his posts containing mostly pure opinion he still persists as it being fact.

 

Case in point: he's a troll.

I used facts to prove Windows Phones have accomplished nothing after a full year on the market, why is that a problem?



disolitude on 29 October 2012
Slimebeast said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:

But when developers realize that customers aren't interested in the Windows ecosystem they will go back to where they came from lol.

No one will care that his or her Windows 8 desktop PC can talk to a Windows Phone or Windows Tablet and they will keep buying their Androids, iPhones and iPads.

Remember E3 and SmartGlass? Was anyone excited? No. And yet we're talking about a tech savy audience.

Everyone sees how MS desperatly is trying to use this unified ecosystem argument as a selling point but it just doesn't work. Because it's Microsoft. But when Apple and Google do it - and they will in the future - it will probably work.


You're no longer using valid arguments here, just personal opinions on Microsoft so I can't really argue back. I disagree, and that's that...

Dude it's not personal opinions.

I have no bias against Microsoft. I love Microsoft.

But the writing is on the wall. Can't you see it?

I'll give you valid arguments:

Nokia too went on and on about this ecosystem in the last few years. Look where they are now. All but forgotten and soon dead. So an investment in ecosystems doesn't guarantee success, far from it.

I gave you a great example of consumer reaction (you yourself admitted the consumer is a part of the chain - devs will be there only if consumers are attracted), SmartGlass and the frosty reception it got at E3.

Reviews of Surface RT - mediocre.

Launch of Surface RT - a staged release only at select stores.

Analysts about the future of Windows tablets - gloomy. (only 8% marketshare in 2015 according to this report http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Surface-Windows-8-Tablet,18227.html )


Nokia needed to change as a company. They were never going to be the massive phone seller they were 10 years ago. 

Did you even look at Nokias financials last quarter? Their phone business actually made money on non-IFRS basis. Look up what that means you you will see that they will be more than fine.

Reviews on Wii - mediocre. Sold like gangbusters

Reviews on Britney Spears's albums - mediocre to bad, sells like crazy.

But more importantly...

Reviews on Windows 8 - good to Great

Nokia made a small profit on a non-IFRS basis thanks to profitability of its network business, not from phone sales. And those one-time charges that turn profits into losses will be repeated as the company is forced to do more and more layoffs. Nokia is shrinking, and sales are declining fast from all of its portfolios. Nokia is finished in the smartphone business.


This site needs a "quote for later" feature. I would love to quote you on 4-5 things you said in this thread and bring it up a year from now... :)



Slimebeast on 29 October 2012
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:
disolitude said:
Slimebeast said:

But when developers realize that customers aren't interested in the Windows ecosystem they will go back to where they came from lol.

No one will care that his or her Windows 8 desktop PC can talk to a Windows Phone or Windows Tablet and they will keep buying their Androids, iPhones and iPads.

Remember E3 and SmartGlass? Was anyone excited? No. And yet we're talking about a tech savy audience.

Everyone sees how MS desperatly is trying to use this unified ecosystem argument as a selling point but it just doesn't work. Because it's Microsoft. But when Apple and Google do it - and they will in the future - it will probably work.


You're no longer using valid arguments here, just personal opinions on Microsoft so I can't really argue back. I disagree, and that's that...

Dude it's not personal opinions.

I have no bias against Microsoft. I love Microsoft.

But the writing is on the wall. Can't you see it?

I'll give you valid arguments:

Nokia too went on and on about this ecosystem in the last few years. Look where they are now. All but forgotten and soon dead. So an investment in ecosystems doesn't guarantee success, far from it.

I gave you a great example of consumer reaction (you yourself admitted the consumer is a part of the chain - devs will be there only if consumers are attracted), SmartGlass and the frosty reception it got at E3.

Reviews of Surface RT - mediocre.

Launch of Surface RT - a staged release only at select stores.

Analysts about the future of Windows tablets - gloomy. (only 8% marketshare in 2015 according to this report http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Microsoft-Surface-Windows-8-Tablet,18227.html )


Nokia needed to change as a company. They were never going to be the massive phone seller they were 10 years ago. 

Did you even look at Nokias financials last quarter? Their phone business actually made money on non-IFRS basis. Look up what that means you you will see that they will be more than fine.

Reviews on Wii - mediocre. Sold like gangbusters

Reviews on Britney Spears's albums - mediocre to bad, sells like crazy.

But more importantly...

Reviews on Windows 8 - good to Great

Nokia made a small profit on a non-IFRS basis thanks to profitability of its network business, not from phone sales. And those one-time charges that turn profits into losses will be repeated as the company is forced to do more and more layoffs. Nokia is shrinking, and sales are declining fast from all of its portfolios. Nokia is finished in the smartphone business.


This site needs a "quote for later" feature. I would love to quote you on 4-5 things you said in this thread and bring it up a year from now... :)

Haha, I know, right? Would be cool if someone dug these posts up when the time comes.

You would all bow to me.



dallas on 29 October 2012
ArnoldRimmer said:

May I suggest you start a new thread for every single positive article/news about just any product that is somehow related to Microsoft.
Oh wait, you're already doing that.

I wonder how you manage to find these positive articles though. When I quickly googled for early adopters reviews, all I came across were articles like "Why I'm returning my Surface RT" ( http://ozar.me/2012/10/why-im-returning-my-microsoft-surface-rt/ ), "Three days in the life of a once and former Microsoft Surface RT user" ( http://www.zdnet.com/three-days-in-the-life-of-a-once-and-former-microsoft-surface-rt-user-7000006421/ ).


Hilarious, I love how this guy pokes fun at selnor's spin